When should red trailer valve pop out?

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  1. Cumminsbigcam17

    Cumminsbigcam17 Bobtail Member

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    I posted a question last week about a relay valve turns out it was just the wrong valve so my truck is working good now. But when I push in the red knob for trailer supply with no trailer the knob wont stay in. If i put my hand over the glad hand and give it some back pressure itll stay engaged. The blue service line seems to be working except when the pedal is pressed all the way the air stops for the service line. Any ideas what can cause these issues or is that the way its supposed to be working?
     
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  3. T.Rucker

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  4. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    You got to have some ###### hands dude!

    I've got some diagnostic skills, so my first thought would be hook it to a trailer instead of your hands.
     
  5. Terlingua

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    The red valve should not be pressed in with no trailer attached. If you do, it’s normal for it to pop back out.
     
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  6. Cumminsbigcam17

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    Okay I dragged my trailer over with my backhoe and everything seems to work fine actually. My friends dump truck you can push in the red knob with no trailer and he said it stays in. So maybe his truck is messed up
     
  7. Terlingua

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    If it didn’t pop out, you’d lose all your air pretty quick out of your unattached glad hands. My guess is the dump truck must have a shut off valve at the trailer air connections for the red knob to stay in.
     
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  8. Cumminsbigcam17

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    Lol I got some #### meaty hands.
     
  9. bavarian

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    As far as I remember the brake check, the red knob needs to stay in even when the line is disconnected. It has to pop out at a certain pressure. I think it's 30 psi. Tractor protection valve.
     
  10. Cumminsbigcam17

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    Hmm seems no one really knows how it supposed to be for sure. I mean without it connected the air escapes from the gladhand there really isnt any pressure in the valve to hold it open. And if you think about it, it would make more sense that in the event something happened and you lose your emergency side air line the valve should pop otherwise you'll also lose all your truck air and lock the brakes on that as well resulting in a possible accident. so im not sure really I guess I'll just leave it unless i find out it really matters
     
  11. T.Rucker

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    Ok, I guess I’m not understanding why this is becoming a thing. It’s fairly simple and straightforward.

    If you are not hooked to a trailer, the red knob stays pulled OUT. If you push it in like you would to release the trailer brakes, you will lose air pressure and the knob will pop back out. In other words…To drive a semi truck without a trailer, push the yellow knob in to release the tractor brakes. Leave the red knob alone. Pushing the red knob means you’re releasing the trailer brakes, but if you have no trailer why would you need to release trailer brakes? Just leave it alone and you’ll be all set. All the trucks I’ve driven for the last 21 years have operated this way…
     
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