What's different about under 10K?

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by PowerWagon, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. PowerWagon

    PowerWagon Medium Load Member

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    As we're gearing up to move, I've run across a lot of ads for people to do regional or even in-state courier and routes and expedite in vans ( Illinois), and I'm wondering if someone who's got it memorized could give me a rundown of all the requirements for doing that.

    Our move precludes me running a hotshot OTR for a number of reasons, but having to be away once in a while would still work. I'd need both intrastate and interstate authority, and while I've read up quite a bit, I lack the confidence I'm understanding what all the requirements are.

    Anyone?
     
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  3. Ridgeline

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    OK what move are you making?

    You don't want to do out for a week or two thing, but local?

    What requirements are you thinking you need? Vehicle, operating,??

    Under 10k means no log books but don't eliminate the need for an authority or the accompanying insurance.
     
  4. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    I disagree . Unless carrying hazmat under 10,001 is not a CMV and no authority is required . You can confirm by going here http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/online-registration/onlineregdescription.htm and clicking the Step By Step Registration Guide . If you click USA then No to a CMV then Yes to the state question you will get this response .


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  5. JetAgeHobo

    JetAgeHobo Light Load Member

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    I'm currently doing the courier gig, maybe I can help. I'm not sure of your experience level, so if I get too basic, sorry.

    If you're working for a courier company, you'd most likely be working as 1099 contractor. More or less under their "authority." Each company is slightly different, but in general, you need EIN or some sort of company set up, 100/300/100 insurance, or maybe up to 1 million if you're doing pharmaceutical deliveries. Your own occupational accident insurance. Most companies carry cargo insurance, but you might want to find out what the policy is. I'm liable for the first $3500.

    Vehicle wise, my signature has a photo of my cargo van, in my case a 1999 Savana 2500 Either a Ford E-250 or Chevy/GMC 2500 should suffice, company I work with has folks running old conversion vans with the seats pulled out, one guy has a fairly beat up Sprinter, others vans similar to mine, maybe some extended vans. Yeah, on another thread I was thinking about moving up to a Sprinter, still studying that idea but still not sure it's not overkill and just a case of "bigger van-itis" Am thinking about going full blown into the expediting gig later, but not for a couple years yet

    Courier not like expediting, yeah, home every night, but not all jobs are "van jobs." m About I third I could do in my wife's Prius. Again, depends on what the company you're contracted to specializes in. One I worked for was office supplies and furniture, van to max GWV daily,stuffed to the max space wise, lots of city stop and go. Now doing a lot of electrical supplies, such as cable, conduit breaker boxes etc. About a third the stops, same money end of the day and finish the route by 11 AM. Rest of the day doing on call stuff. Some days spent sitting under a tree and sleeping, waiting for loads. That having been said, the guy working for the same company I do running stripped down conversion vans has been doing it for 18 years, company operation manager 12 years. I'm still new at it but I could see where once you get settled in and a rhythm to it the job could be addictive. It is a business though. Owner/operator an a VERY small scale. Or maybe just much smaller vehicle.
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    I understand but outside of Uship, where it doesn't matter if you even own the vehicle you use or have a valid license. a lot of work comes from brokers who insist on you having some sort of legal means to transport that shipment - meaning an authority - in order for them to protect their customer. This means no matter what, having no authority may be ok for some brokers but then needing proper (cargo) insurance is one problem, and so it should be. Think of it this way, when you entrust a shipper to take care of your shipment, while they may be acting like a carrier even in a van and if you have a cargo claim against them, without insurance you have a hard road to go on getting a claim paid.

    The questioned ask is vague because of the subject of courier or expedite. I can speak for my state, no matter what the feds say if you are engaged in commerce with a vehicle that is over 5500 lbs GVW that is registered in the state - you are a commercial vehicle and subject to the same laws as it is was any other CMV. They are now enforcing the need for DOT numbers and registration for anyone in vehicles with that GVW, from lawn care trucks to construction maintenance trucks. I think most states are going in that direction but not with the archaic weight. Remember that the states actually have a final say so, they can adapt the FMCSA regs in whole or modify them or have their own that are more stringent.
     
  7. RickG

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    States can mandate DOT numbers but not MC authority .
     
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  8. PowerWagon

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    Ok, now i'm even MORE confused... Or something.

    I will NOT be contracted to a company. Rather, I'll simply be an independent contractor who can work for anyone at any time... and NOT work if I don't want to. There's multiple companies to do this for where I'm going.

    However, it's really being a courier, not a freight expediter. They require only 5K in cargo insurance. However, I will be getting registered in the state (as the state requires it). To run out of state ( as there's courier work across state lines to several states available) they ask you have a DOT number. But I can't figure out how you get a DOT number, but yet have no vehicles that qualify as a CMV. If you go through the guided thing it kicks you out telling you that you don't need to.

    No hazmat
    no passengers
    gvw under 10k
    What am I missing?
     
  9. Rockey

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    Depends on the state if you need a DOT number.

    I know Washington doesn't need anything under 10,000. But MN makes everyone need one if they leave the state.

    I would look at the web site and see if they have a interstate haul option that you might have clicked.
     
  10. Vesp

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    How much does IL make?
     
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