What is the correct placards for this scenario.

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  1. the12thfamily

    the12thfamily Bobtail Member

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    If I am hauling Flammable 3 materials in this quantity. I have 10,000 lbs of Flammbale3 hazmat but, 8,000 pounds of freight is in 55 gallon drums. All freight has a un number of 1263. Do I need to run Flammable 1263 placards or just Flammable3 placards. I dont know how to determine if 55 gallons or this quantity is considered bulk. Thanks for any help.
     
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  3. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    Too much thinking for me so early in the morning,lol.To be on the safe side you should ask your company.
     
  4. Numb

    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    flam 3 will work.

    and get a spare, in case one comes off.
     
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  5. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Containers above 119 gallons are considered "bulk".
    The 55 gal drums are not bulk.
    What is/was the type of packaging for the 2000 lbs of Class 3 that wasn't the 55 gal drums?
     
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  6. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    You mention freight like you don't know what you have? UN1263 is paint, thinner or something similar and is a flammable 3 liquid. Anything above 1001 lbs total in one group is a reportable quantity. Separated in drums makes no difference. To break down UN1263 further means 1=drum, 2=open top and 63 the contents.

    Flammable 3 tells emergency response they can't use water on it when trying to put out a fire. It also tells them it has a low flash point. That's all they need to know in general in an emergency.

    Your bills should reflect reportable quantity with "RQ" beside the description. The shipper should also be knowledgeable in the placarding if not your dispatcher or safety dept. Buy you a Hazmat Compliance pocketbook. It has everything you need to know in it.
     
  7. white wolf

    white wolf Light Load Member

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    I could be wrong my mind is not awake yet but I think if it going to a single consignee you must post the un # but like I said half awake cold rainy and windy out so I am lazy today
     
  8. TruckDuo

    TruckDuo Road Train Member

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    Download this app: HazMat Hero. It will tell you what placards to use.
     
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  9. the12thfamily

    the12thfamily Bobtail Member

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  10. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    I'm in the process of verification, but I believe if he has over 8820lb of the Class 3 (which he has) regardless of the packaging, then he must run with the UN numbered placards.
    This should be in part 172 and 173 of the Hazardous Material Rules (which I don't have handy right now).
     
  11. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Drums are not bulk. Do you have any polytotes? I doubt it, but if you have polytotes, you have bulk and you need to know that for tunnels, for example. You say everything has UN 1263, so you need to fly the 1263. Even companies and carriers handling Haz every day struggle with correct placarding, so don't feel bad. I know of one shipper, major Haz, the clerk has no clue. None. Others know exactly what's required. Drums, as previously stated, are not considered bulk. Bulk = tanker load or polytote in a van.

    You have parking restrictions and your manifest must be within arms reach at all times and in view on your seat or windshield/dash when out of truck. Hope you looked at the drums before they went in and confirmed bunghole caps are tight. I know of at least one shipper really sloppy and they complain like Hell, but I make sure they clean the tops of all drums and tighten the caps. Take the plastic ones out, replace with metal if metal drum. Oh, but they do protest. If they don't, I have them stop and get their super. Stops 'em cold. Then I report the hassle to my company. Oh, they love that! Sure! Not.

    Fines reach you, your company and the shipper. Did you check your manifest for emergency phone number, that descriptions are in the right ISHP order and exactly per FMCSA? $150 per bill if manifest out of order. To you, driver.

    ISHP = ID Number, Shipping Name, Hazard Class, Package Group. Must be listed in that order on your bills.

    You said entire load UN 1263.

    IMO, all you need is the Flam 1263, which covers your whole load. Flam 3 is not enough because you have over 2205 pounds of UN 1263.

    See: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/hazmat/complyhmregs.htm

    "172.504 contains a number of notes and exceptions to these requirements. When two or more Table 2 materials are contained in the same transport vehicle, the "Dangerous" placard may be used instead of the specific placard required for each hazard class. However, when 1,000 kg (2,205 pounds) of a single category of HM is loaded on a transport vehicle, the placard specified for that material must be displayed."
     
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