What causes screeching brakes ?

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  1. SilverBulletBand

    SilverBulletBand Light Load Member

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    My company has (2) Freightliner M2-106 dual-axle 40 ft flatbeds.

    One has 12k miles, the other has 172k miles on it.

    The one with 171k miles on it has brakes the SCREECH like a freight train coming to a stop. The noise is extremely loud and persists UNTIL the brakes have been applied numerous times. THEN, the screeching just "goes away" until the next morning. Then the screeching routine starts again.

    The brakes on the newer truck with 12k miles NEVER screech. Ever.

    We took the 171k into the shop two weeks ago to have the brakes inspected. The shop returned us the truck and said they "adjusted" the brakes AND there is plenty of material (brake shoe lining) left on them. However, the braking performance DID improve dramatically and the screeching "went away" for about 2 weeks. It's now returned.

    Now, I have NO idea if they actually removed the tires/drums and inspected each brake. My suspicions are they did not.

    Anyways, WHY would the brakes continue this screeching ...... (every morning)..... and stop screeching once they get warmed up a bit ?

    If I didn't know any better, I would think the shoe lining is SHOT and the rivets are scrapping the inside of the drums.

    Like I said earlier, once the brakes get warmed up a bit, the screeching goes away and the brakes seem to work just fine.

    Just wondering WHY this truck gets the horrible screeching every morning. ??

    What say you ?
     
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  3. 6cuda6

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    Glazed shoes and drums or it may be just the shoe lining material compound mix......hard to give you a definite answer without seeing them but if the noise goes away once the brakes have been used a few times it would most certainly indicate to me that something is cleaning something off.

    Couple things....are their backing plates on the brakes still? When was the last time the brakes were serviced [taken apart and cleaned etc]. Did they put OEM brakes on the truck last time it got brakes or are they aftermarket?
     
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  4. Smellfunny

    Smellfunny Road Train Member

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    I have found that brakes that screech or squank or whatever are just like the above post or the lining has started to crack where you can not see it. Have to take the drums off and look at the linings and drums.
     
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  5. SilverBulletBand

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    I was thinking glazing as well.

    I've only been with the company a year. Other driver 4 years says it's NEVER had any brake work on it since he was driving it. I inherited the truck from him when we got the new truck in.
     
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  6. SilverBulletBand

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    Yes, I agree.

    It's due to go in for an oil change soon. I'm going to insist to our Mgr that the shop actually pull the drums off and do a VISUAL inspection.

    :RANT ON: ;>) I've only had my CDL-A two years and I can't believe my eyes the #### condition and maintenance (actually LACK THEREOF) on big trucks ! Unfuggingbelievable what I've seen in my short time. It's truly frightening to think how many other trucks are in #### shape. The dangers to the drivers and especially THE PUBLIC..... OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES is just astounding to me.

    You'd #### if I told you about the Cement Mixer I used to drive ! Perhaps I will someday. Talk about a DEATH TRAP ! I quit that job because of the condition of that truck.... (and other things...). I still see that truck on the road !

    I've been driving for 42 years. Owned about 100 vehicles in that time period. Worked as a kid in my Uncle's service station and have 1500 hours as an Auxiliary State Trooper. I KNOW how vehicles are "supposed" to be maintained and operated "LEGALLY".

    Just blows my mind really........ RANT OFF....... Lol !
     
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  7. 6cuda6

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    At this point i would say the only way to be sure is to pull the drums and have a look...if they are indeed the factory installed brakes with 170k on them i would have to assume they are pretty glazed up and the drums may even have some heat checking....time for someone who knows what to look for to tear them down for an inspection.
     
  8. Smellfunny

    Smellfunny Road Train Member

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    I see some very dangerous stuff almost daily. In the end it is the driver that is responsible for whether to drive a vehicle in unsafe condition, but most of them do the one button pre-trip. Starter button. If it starts it's good to go.


     
  9. snowwy

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    • Keep the brakes adjusted and the squeal will eventually go away.

    Brakes go out of adjustment they require more pressure. Brakes that are adjusted don't need more pressure. But you need more pressure for the brakes that are out. The brakes that aren't out are working harder and heating up more.

    They glaze to the point of squeal.

    Keep the brakes adjusted. They all take equal pressure. Eventually the glaze burns off.
     
  10. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

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    Do you find it noisier after some rain . We had some brakes that were terrible after rain or salt spray in winter. Once we swapped shoes they never did it again . Mechanic said it was the compound in the shoes that rusted that’s why after a few good brake application they got quiet again till the next rain . The type of shoes they were using to meet the shorter braking distance were the culprit. Least for us..
     
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    Rock hauler brakes. Glazing, someone got them hot at some point. We used to sprinkle sand on them to grind the glazing off.
     
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