What are your average rate.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Ridgeline, Jan 25, 2024.

  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    I won't get into the reason for the question other than helping a couple of new owners out the last couple of days with the finance end of their truck. Neither of them understood how to even calculate their average rates or what it meant. They went out and bought trucks after being a driver for less than a year and struggled every day. Both said they were told they would make $300k gross but last year the most they made was $210k and costs cut that down to almost "nothing" for their net.

    So for many of the old timers here, it is natural you know what your average gross rate is which includes DH.

    The question that I was asking these guys is how did they think they would make $300k?

    And what I wonder is how many have seen an increase in average gross rates going above $2.40 per mile?
     
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  3. 86scotty

    86scotty Road Train Member

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    $300k? General freight these days? Best of luck to them.

    My average gross is around 2.40/mile but everyone's situation is different. Cost of living, debt, how much you want to put into the business vs. how much you want to take home. I've always thought questions like this are just too general on a forum with so many different kinds of truckers from so many different places.
     
  4. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    $2.30ish I think the last few months including DH, running west

    I could do better, but I don't
     
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  5. Arctic_fox

    Arctic_fox Experienced mx13 execrator

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    $2.50ish last year for all miles including DH woulda been higher but had to murderize some debt and amazon crunched up my rig pretty good which ate into a lot of that.
     
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  6. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    Drivers don't know they’re being robbed by the broker feeding drivers a skimmed load, brokers or even dispatchers are adjusting rates posted to the driver or shown even right on the rate con. So brokers/dispatchers getting caught editing pricing and forgetting to cover their tracks

    Is the carrier/driver getting paid $3,000 or $2,600.. Where'd the $400 that got skimmed off the rate go? Broker forgot to clean up the stealing



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  7. 062

    062 Road Train Member

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    How is it stealing when the agreement is between the broker and carrier?
     
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  8. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    The backstory to that shipment was the typical load board broker tried to pull a fast one on a driver who they didn't know have dual authority.. “hey driver markets suck the load only pays $2,600.00 for about 1,100 miles @ $2.21 a mile - best offer shipper can give.” Dual authority review rate con, see weird pricing, driver calls up Allen Lund, Allen Lund says we’re paying $3,000 to the carrier loads still available. Everyone was confused who was who and what, load board broker got exposed editing pricing on the paperwork or being BS, trying pull $400 from the driver and then their broker rate…the real mile rate was $2.770083102493075/mile and then the load board brokers fee. Load board broker trying to double dip and moving too fast in their daily duties probably forgot to edit the $3,000 to $2,600 or send the right edited version for their scamming/skimming scheme. So the dual authority driver caught the mistake, cut the broker out, and went directly to the shipper. The driver had to spend time doing all the work, rather than the load board broker just posting $3,000 for $2.77 a mile and being real.
     
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  9. 062

    062 Road Train Member

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    What are you even talking about?
     
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  10. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    The driver is a broker/carrier, dual authority, he was just in Texas visiting family after, went to the load board to get a load quick, ran into a freight broker scamming. Said forget that BS, just cut the broker out, figured the stuff out himself because sometimes asking for help is worthless, best to just do it yourself most the time.
     
  11. 062

    062 Road Train Member

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    Still makes no sense.
    You posted a rate con from Allen Lund. How is the broker scamming when the agreement is between broker and carrier?
    Are you saying carrier received rate con,then back doored broker after finding out the shipper?
     
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