what are some real-world fines for HOS violations?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dorset, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. dorset

    dorset Medium Load Member

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    hey folks

    i've recently taken a job working for a fraccing company in ohio. most of the job is out of the truck, but on the clock. the hours are long--14.5 to 16 hours per day, with an 8 to 9.5 hour break, six days on, three days off. we drive oversize, overweight, and hazmat.

    my company is pretty ignorant about 10-hour breaks, 14-hour days, and 70-hour limits. so i'd like to educate them with some dollar figures for typical fines. in the meantime, i only drive the first day of my rotation, because every day after the first i haven't had a full 10 hours off.

    so what are some typical DOT fines for driving without taking a full 10-hour break? or after a week without a 10-hour break?

    what's a real-world fine for getting caught driving beyond your 14? beyond your 70?

    i've never had any of these violations and don't know what they currently run.
     
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  3. 77smartin

    77smartin Road Train Member

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    I dunno.
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    Are they ignorant?...or do they want you to be ignorant? Hard to imagine them being ignorant if you are required to have a CDL to be employed for them...but maybe I'm ignorant.
     
  4. trkrjim

    trkrjim Light Load Member

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    Probably aren't under the same rules. Better look up oilfield exemption.
     
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  5. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    For every logbook violation there is a $250.00 penalty. So you can imagine putting the wrong date, not signing etc etc. can get pretty expensive. As far as violating the 14/11/70 hr rules, if caught you will be put out of service. The fines are the least of your worries. This will all go on your CSA score for you and the company and both of you won't be operating much longer. That is of course if you are caught and the practices of the company never change. I would worry about yourself more than the company. Companies are a dime a dozen. But you're only allowed one CDL.
     
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  6. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    Thats probably true but they do fall under some regulation and it sounds as if the company is pretty ignorant of it all.
     
  7. dorset

    dorset Medium Load Member

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    hmmm

    i just don't drive the truck, and explain why. there's no oilfield exemption for the 10, 14, and 70 that i'm aware of. there is an oilfield exception allowing a 24-hour reset, like in construction, and oilfield logbooks allow you to log waiting time on a new line 5, which is paid hourly time, but off-duty. but that's it, so far as i know.

    the CSA score is the major problem. my middle management is aware of FMCSA compliance, but the seriousness hasn't trickled down to the field supervisors yet. i'm anticipating a big DOT bust one of these days, as half a dozen overweight frac trucks get pulled over at once with the drivers out of 10, out of 70, and without a current logbook. trying to come up with legal drivers to get them moving off the shoulder would be pretty hard to do at short notice.

    i keep my logbooks strictly legal, so were i to get a ticket it would be for an HOS violation, not a book mistake.
     
  8. dorset

    dorset Medium Load Member

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    ignorant is an understatement.

    we run overdimensional sand silos on the public roads, big round cans 144 inches across, 65 feet long before you put a tractor on them. ohio has an exemption in its oversize regs for "well drilling equipment," so my company doesn't buy a permit to pull these things on the highways. i think the well drilling exemption is for water well stuff, and certainly it's a stretch to apply it to what amounts to a tank, but they don't buy a permit unless the trailer is overweight.

    it's a cowboy mentality, mostly. i'm still working on them.
     
  9. rockyroad74

    rockyroad74 Heavy Load Member

    I think it depends on the state or municipality to set fines.

    You might email Ohio State Police or Ohio DMV and ask if they would email you a schedule of fines.

    Some violations fine the driver, the carrier, or both. Egregious violations have much higher fines.

    Doesn't your company have a safety manager? He should be trained in this. Carriers must have a safety program in place.

    You are also protected as a whistleblower if your company is apathetic towards the law.

    If you report them, and they retaliate, you could get a pretty good payday for their arrogance.

    Hopefully, for their sake, they respect and follow the law or they'll be sub-contracting their hauling to an outside carrier.
     
  10. Foxcover

    Foxcover Medium Load Member

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    Intrastate laws can be different to interstate laws eg California Intrastate is 12 hours driving 16 on duty but still requires 10 hour break.
     
  11. Balakov100

    Balakov100 Road Train Member

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    Do you really think they will care what you have to say?
     
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