What’s wrong with my drive shaft?

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  1. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    E3FE6D69-A723-49B3-9BC7-81FF7A64A3FB.jpeg I have been having an issue with some vibration and decided to pull the drive shaft and install three new u joints why I have some down time this summer.
    I found two u joints with some pretty bad pits in the journals.
    But after I drug it out from under the truck I found this.
    Can’t believe I missed this as many times I have been under the truck.
    I even put a clutch in it last summer and totally missed it.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

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    Is that #### thing bent? Is that even possible? (Go and laugh me out of the community, but that's the one thing I keep looking at...)
     
  4. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    It’s not bent at all but it may look a little like it is from the way I took the photo.
    There is a glaring problem with it if you look at it and think about it.
    You might need a little drive line knowledge to see it though...
     
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  5. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy Hulld,

    Looks to me like the slip yoke was installed 90 degrees off this throws your u-joints out of alignment and will cause vibration and eventual wear-failure of the joint, possible loss of the drive-shaft.

    Dave
     
  6. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    It's out of phase . 90 degrees to be exact
     
  7. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    Winner Winner Winner
    I have driven this truck 185,000 miles so far and never noticed it.
    Someone had apparently replaced the carrier bearing and installed the splined yoke 90 degrees out off phase.
     
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  8. x1Heavy

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    Im happy to learn something today.

    I know you will not lose your shaft any time soon after it's fixed.
     
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  9. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy Hulld,

    You can take some comfort in knowing that your drive-shaft slip yoke was reinstalled the the BEST wrong position. If it had been installed say 45 degrees off you would have really had problems, I worked in a drive line shop for a while you would not believe how many times someone would take their drive shaft out of a car, truck, motorcycle anything with a drive-shaft, take it apart put new u-joints in, re-install the shaft with the joints out of phase and then bring the vehicle in complain of horrible vibration.

    You can install the slip yoke in any position and run the shaft at its maximum rated rpm and NOT have any vibration so long as the entire drive-shaft is in a perfectly straight line. The moment you put an angle on the shaft it will vibrate and the greater the angle the shaft rotates at the greater the vibration. Here is a short video that explains this. Two major causes of drive-shaft vibration are ONE the u-joints being out of phase or TWO the angles at BOTH ends of the center shaft between the u-joints not being the same.

    The hardest thing for folks to grasp is that when the drive-shaft operates at and angle the center shaft rotates at DIFFERENT speeds as it rotates, the greater the angle the greater the differential in rotating speed. This is why a drive shaft with only ONE u-joint will ALWAYS vibrate and cause major wear-breakage problems, the driven shaft will rotate at a constant speed, the out put shaft will rotate at varying speeds depending on the angle. In order to have a drive-shaft rotate a steady constant speed you need at least two u-joints one on the driven shaft and one on the out put shaft at the other end of the center shaft.



    This video talks more about angles and why they are important.



    Dave
     
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  10. Goodysnap

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    While you have it out and on the ground. Once you have it all phased, new joints and new center bearing...... take it in and have it all balanced. Then mark it at all points. Next time you remove it just make sure it goes back the same spot.

    The yoke that is mis-clocked has infinite splines and can be put back on anywhere. It most likely got botched during a prior bearing replacement. Good luck getting the yoke off. ......Older trucks I have had them rusted on good, gave up heating and pressing and just had a new shaft made up.
     
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  11. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    If the fact that I can’t get the nut off with my inch drive air impact is any indication I should be royally screwed trying to get the yoke off.
    Of course I went for my acetylene torch to heat the nut and the boys in the shop informed me they finished off the acetylene this morning doing an exhaust job ugh.
    So tomorrow they will be delivering more acetylene and I will try again.
    What happened when you tried to press it apart?
    Did it screw up the threads before the yoke came free?
    The way the yoke is made it doesn’t look like any way to really support it in my press to be able to press it apart?
    I might be able to devise a puller if I have to?
     
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