Weller Remans, Good or Bad, or Doomed?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Rocky J Specialized, May 13, 2016.

  1. Rocky J Specialized

    Rocky J Specialized Bobtail Member

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    So, I have a 1985 359 Peterbilt that I've been restoring. Slowly might I add seeings how it's whats paying the bills at the moment. A week and a half ago I lost the high range in my old transmission which was a Eaton RTLO 14615 15 speed with the forward overdrive. Long story short, I've replaced everything short of the axle tubes and brakes on this thing from the fly wheel back, Even changed the front and rear main seals while I had the transmission out. I replaced it with the same series transmission as well as putting in new d 402 3.70 ratio rear ends, new carrier bearings, u joints, clutch, pressure plate, etc etc. I've dumped a lot into this thing just in drive components. So today was her maiden voyage. She went pretty good at first other than a noticeably distinctive high pitched whine in my low range through out all gears. Granted I know a slight whine is common in these but... From 40 feet away having your brother drive it through the other side of the intersection. It's pretty loud... 10 times louder than My last one which was the same series of transmission.. But hey It shifts smooth! so thats my first query. Second, In high range and in overdrive, 70 miles an hour and above or 1600 rpm. I get a pretty good chatter in my gears and in the stick. It goes away when I ease into the throttle but when I Let off the throttle it sounds like a throbbing chatter that comes and goes about every 3 seconds. It's like it cycles, and it's getting worse. Bad enough that I don't want to to drive it. I've put less than 600 miles on it, I've tried adjusting my ride height, I've checked all my u joints and carrier bearings. Re torqued the yolks on the tranny, front and rear diffs, bell housing. The only thing I can think of is the transmission had a bad build??? SO I guess my question is, Has anyone had a similar experience with dealing with Weller?
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    If you are that concerned with the transmission, ship it to a shop that will take a look at it.

    Im not knocking your mechanical ability or accomplishment in any way. I want you to consider that transmissions are a finely balanced peice of equipment in which huge amounts of forces travel through with precision and power with potential to wreck the thing or wreck you.

    I drove a international once with a eaton and 2 million miles on that international eagle. The transmission sounded like a box of rocks being shaken by angels scaring me all the way out and back on the road test with two drivers (Husband wife team testers) in the sleeper soothing my ruffled feathers saying they hear and feel nothing out of ordinary.

    Ive trashed trannies and seen badly maintain trannies fail. Ive also trashed the final drives as well now and then. If it is not 100% and there is something out of line I will find a way to trash it. Im not a abusive driver, but I absolutely demand full power on hand where required and need to be able to slide tandems without worrying about the cheap deliberately built driveshaft from spicer twisting apart as a safety measure if I ended up trying to dead pull the trailer in the scale house. I have several more stories to share with you regarding failed transmissions some of which was blamed on me as being a bad driver by a stubborn company boss who refuses to lease a more modern truck with a better transmission and engine.

    That's all for now. Im sorry you put so much money into that thing only to see it whine and wail at times. I know something is out of whack somewhere. Let a shop look at it. Maybe they will find something you missed.
     
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  4. AModelCat

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    That's the trouble with components like that. There's really not much you can do to know the internal condition without actually physically disassembling them. If you've isolated the issue to the transmission you can drain the oil and check for chunks on the magnetic plug. Another thing you can do while its drained is remove the PTO access covers if you have them. You might notice something off inside. Had to re-seal a leaking PTO one time on a vac truck. Noticed a little bit of metal inside the PTO case but could not find an issue with the PTO. Felt around inside on the bottom of the transmission housing and there was shrapnel everywhere. Even pulled out a chewed up snap ring from the mainshaft. Put truck OOS and parked it in the back yard. Could have had a good core had the fleet manager listened to me and not had a driver try and take the truck south to the Edmonton shop for repair. Truck made it an hour down the road before it spit a countershaft out the bottom of the case in the middle of no where.
     
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  5. Rocky J Specialized

    Rocky J Specialized Bobtail Member

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    yeah I hear ya, Some people never seem to listen, only after it's too late and then they just blame you. I'm going to pull the plugs on my rearends and check the oil plug for any metal shavings. I pulled the tower last night to see if I could see anything on the top surface being flung up as far as metal shavings or glitter as I like to call it. I saw two little specks. Which does concern me a little, but I know that a little wear is common. I'm running it in to My local Peterbilt Dealer here in the next hour or so to have a buddy of mine take a listen and take a little ride. I've adjusted the ride height a couple times and it doesn't seem to make a difference. I guess we'll see. Thanks for your guy's input.
     
  6. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    What about disconnecting the driveshaft from the tranny and running it through the gears, that should isolate your whine if it will produce without a load on it.
     
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  7. cnsper

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    Weller is all we use for our trucks. That being said, any one will have a bad product slip by. What matters is that it does not happen often and they stand behind it.
     
  8. x1Heavy

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    Disconnecting a transmission and then placing a power on it at idle or something. Hmmm...

    That would be genius. Can you do something like that?

    What about a dyno? Ive had been on them for big trucks and you can absolutely cause a loading similar to going up a steep grade loaded and if there is a problem, it will reveal itself then. But in this case Im reluctant to consider it.

    Is there anything software driven on the transmission? Possibly a interface to the ECM on the engine so that it knows or communicates to the transmission what's what in real time? Maybe it needs recalibration?

    Im just casting a net with some thinking. If youre seeing shavings or metal in the tranmission take another look inside of it real good.

    I remembered a sitaution once in a old Brigader GMC (This model goes way back, it was considered a punishment to drive one of these for a variety of reasons back in those days) at a light on US 40 north east of Joppa in Maryland, when the light turned green the clutch jumped into gear too fast (Linkage?) and it bit into a final drive peice of machined gearing around 16 inches long by approx 4 inches across of solid machined gear teeth. It was just like someone taking a bite into a hamburger which caused it to fail at that point. I was told I was very lucky that I did not get blamed specifically for that particular breakdown but it was exceedingly rare and am fortunate it did not happen on the interstate at speed.
     
  9. AModelCat

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    OP's trucks a 1985 No computers back then.
     
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