Weight limits?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by slim66, Jul 28, 2007.

  1. slim66

    slim66 Bobtail Member

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    I work construction and I’ve had some discussion with fellow drivers about how much we can legally haul. Most drivers have said the limit is 80k gross for a tractor with a dual axle trailer or 84k-85k (depending on who I asked) if the trailer is a tri-axle, or again depending on who I asked, a dual axle trailer with tags. My understanding, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is that the limit is 80k gross regardless of axle configuration unless one has an overweight permit. Also, I suppose it is possible that because dump trailers are shorter than typical freight trailers (around 38-42 ft) one could gross out under 80k but still be over on the ‘trailer bridge’ or any other axle combination though I have no idea if this is likely since I’ve only ever been able to get an overall weight on my truck at the gravel pits and don’t drive out of state.

    I know there are some differences state to state but for starters I'm only looking for information that applies to driving on an interstate. Who's right or are we all wrong?
     
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  3. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    The standard weights, if you are running in multiple states for a 2 axle tractor and a typical tandem trailer (dual axles)

    12,000 - steering axle
    34,000 - drive axles
    34,000 - trailer axles
    80,000 - gross weight

    Some states allow more on certain axles, and some allow a higher gross weight. For example, I believe Colorado allows 20,000 on the steers, 40,000 on the drives, and 40,000 on the trailer, as long as the gross weight does not exceed 84,000.

    Pick up a Rand McNally Truckers Atlas and all the information for this is in the front, broken down by State, along with plenty other valuable information.
     
  4. slim66

    slim66 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the reply!

    According to http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/sw/overview/index.htm

    Federal commercial vehicle maximum standards on the Interstate Highway System are:
    Single Axle: 20,000 pounds
    Tandem Axle:
    34,000 pounds
    Gross Vehicle Weight:
    80,000 pounds

    According to http://vsw.fhwa.dot.gov/qa/qa.jsp?category=23 CFR 658.17

    What is the definition of a single axle?
    It is one or more axles not more than 40 inches apart. If two axles are less than 40 inches apart, they are considered to be a single axle.

    May States limit the maximum weight of steering axles on the Interstate System to less than 20,000 pounds?
    They may limit the weight to 20,000 pounds or the axle weight rating established by the manufacturer, whichever is lower. ​
    Kind of confusing since it seems to define steers as 'Single Axle' but doesn't say anything about how many tires per axle. It would also give 84k gross but I guess you would be ok if one set of axles was under the limit.

    Regardless, am I correct in assuming a tri-axle or tag axle equipped trailer in a tractor-trailer would still be limited to 80k? Would it also be reasonable to assume that with a short 40ft trailer that 80k gross could still be over weight on the trailer bridge or drive axles?
     
  5. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    Not sure about tri-axles, but I think it comes down to what each state allows
     
  6. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    CO is up to 85,000 on secondary roads only. Unless permitted and axled. WY you can license for 85,000 any where.

    Thats the only two I know off the top of my head.
     
  7. WiseOne

    WiseOne Inactive contact bullhaulerswife

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    YUP, I get a Rand McNally Trucker Atlas every year to keep up on the new roads, and changes for truckers. It is, by far, the best trucking road atlas out there. It shows you all the weigh station locations, trucker routes, state-by-state weight limits and all.
     
  8. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    The 80k limit is federal. Interstate highways are under federal jurisdiction, so you are subject to 80k on the interstate. The states themselves can allow higher gross weights if they see fit, but those do not apply to the interstate.

    You are correct, but once again, off the interstate, the state itself can allow more if they so desire.

    That's the incredibly idiotic Bridge Gross Weight Formula. That's where the sleeper pulling the 53' van next to you can gross 80k but you can't because you are pulling a 30' dump, the fact that you both have 5 axles notwithstanding.

    With your dump trailers, just remember that you need 36' on center from your front drive axle to your rear trailer axle to carry a total of 68k on those 4 axles, or 34k for each tandem. This is what is called your "inside bridge"

    You also need 51' on center from your steering axle to your rear trailer axle to carry 80k total on all 5 axles. This is called your "outside bridge"

    The Bridge Formula is federal, although not all states choose to enforce it, and some allow a double standard for tri-axle dump trucks. Here in MD, tri-axles can gross 70k legally, and in NJ they can gross 80K legally. Both scenarios are not permitted under the Bridge Formula, but the states do with the Bridge Formula whatever they see fit.

    Virginia, however, does go off the Bridge Formula for dump trucks there. That's why they can be found there with up to 4 lift axles.

    Frankly, I think the Bridge Formula is a load of crap, and little more than a big money racket myself.
     
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