Warnings on your CSA score

clean violations give you ZERO points. and do absoutely nothing for your score.

get one violation for 27 points. get inspected 20 more times during the year and pass all 20. at the end of the year. you still got 27 points, minus 1/3.

time drops your score. not clean inspections. course, get more violations and you climb up the ladder some more.

the only thing i see csa doing. is a tool for harrassment. all it takes is 1 bad example. to max a company score. and dot is in love with you. and you'll never see the end of it. now you've got every driver in the fleet getting inspected an average of once a week. to which there's always going to be ONE fail. sometimes TWO. and the score stays maxed out.

one bad apple. and your married for life.

one bad example triggers a never ending love affair.

nobody is perfect. and everybody pays the price.

 

Absolutely false and this baloney needs to end. Most BASICs(not all) are a division formula that looks like this:

Total of severity weight X their respective time weight
--------------------------------------------------------------------
total of time weight violations

So if you get a clean inspection, you get another "3" in the bottom of that division formula. This brings your score down. Time also brings your score down, but nowhere near as fast as clean inspections. However to bring down your score the inspection has to be a "relevant inspection". A level 3 isn't as important as a level 2 or 1. A level 3 does nothing to your vehicle mantenance BASIC.

 

Don't believe me? I don't care, here it is:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...=yDOuI6Qa58K2xKFkqfBkRw&bvm=bv.67720277,d.aWw

 

many people confuse the simple fact there are 2 CSA point systems... one for the carrier, which is based upon the drivers inspections, violations, and audits of the company...

then there are the driver violations, that are reported on the PSP... the government does not assign a ranking to the drivers, like they do the carriers, and there is NOTHING but time to remove violations from the drivers individual report.

So allan5oh you are correct as far as the carrier is concerned,
and snowwy is correct as far as the driver report is concerned...

 

More bad information. The formulas are a little different for the carrier or the driver(mostly how long the violations stay on the report) but again clean inspections bring down the score for most BASICs. Again read the link if you don't believe me. I've been through it very thoroughly. And again there's no such thing as the word "points" in the CSA program.

The government in fact does rank the drivers, this information is for law enforcement use only.

 

Don't argue with Canadians, they're winter hasn't ended yet so they have a lot of time to read regulations and explanations of how CSA works.

 

Clean inspections only benefit the score on the company side. A driver can have 1 bad one and 7 good ones and the bad will stick out till the time runs out which is a year longer than the company.

 

Severity weights, (also known as a point system) are assigned for each violation... There is NO way for a driver to reduce his points, except via time...

and not even law enforcement can see the ranking for drivers, as it is ONLY used during audits of a company....

When will Compliance, Safety, Accountability start using the driver component of the new Safety Measurement System? Answer
The driver assessment tool is being used internally. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration uses the driver assessment tool only to assist investigative staff in focusing on poor performing drivers during carrier investigations.
https://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/FAQs.aspx


When 392.2 violations are listed on the roadside inspection report, how can a user determine which Behavior Analysis and Safety Improvement Categories (BASICs) they apply to and the severity weight? Answer
Roadside inspection reports contain all specific 392.2 local laws cited, but the Safety Measurement System (SMS) uses only 392.2 violations that translate with a specific letter suffix (i.e., 392.2C, 392.2S). If the violation is a 392.2 (with no letter suffix), then SMS does not use it. If it has a suffix and it is not listed in the tables below, SMS does not use it.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3, align: center"] Unsafe Driving BASIC: [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Section [/TD]
[TD] Violation Description Shown on Roadside Inspection [/TD]
[TD] Severity Weight [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2C [/TD]
[TD] Failure to obey traffic control device [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2DH [/TD]
[TD] Headlamps - Failing to dim when required [/TD]
[TD] 3 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2FC [/TD]
[TD] Following too close [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2LC [/TD]
[TD] Improper lane change [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2LV [/TD]
[TD] Lane restriction violation [/TD]
[TD] 3 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2P [/TD]
[TD] Improper passing [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2PK [/TD]
[TD] Unlawfully parking and/or leaving vehicle in the roadway [/TD]
[TD] 1 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2R [/TD]
[TD] Reckless driving [/TD]
[TD] 10 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2RR [/TD]
[TD] Railroad grade crossing violation [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2S [/TD]
[TD] Speeding (After 1/1/11) [/TD]
[TD] 1 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2S [/TD]
[TD] Speeding (Before 1/1/11) [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2-SLLS2 [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Laws - Speeding 6-10 miles per hour over the speed limit [/TD]
[TD] 4 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2-SLLS3 [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Laws - Speeding 11-14 miles per hour over the speed limit [/TD]
[TD] 7 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2-SLLS4 [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Laws - Speeding 15 or more miles per hour over the speed limit [/TD]
[TD] 10 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2-SLLSWZ [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Laws - Speeding in a work/construction zone [/TD]
[TD] 10 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2-SLLT [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Laws - Operating a CMV while texting [/TD]
[TD] 10 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2T [/TD]
[TD] Improper turns [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2Y [/TD]
[TD] Failure to yield right-of-way [/TD]
[TD] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Hours-of-Service (HOS) Compliance BASIC: [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2H [/TD]
[TD] State/Local Hours-of-Service (HOS) [/TD]
[TD] 7 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Vehicle Maintenance BASIC: [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 392.2WC
[/TD]
[TD] Wheel (mud) flaps missing or defective [/TD]
[TD] 1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Do inspections that find no violations count in the Safety Measurement System (SMS)? Answer
Yes. All roadside safety inspection findings count in the SMS, regardless of whether or not the safety inspection report contains violations. Roughly one-third of the 3.5 million inspections that are uploaded to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) database each year have zero violations. Safety inspections without regulatory violations serve to improve a motor carrier's evaluation in the SMS.


sorry but I will go directly to the FMCSA for my information. It is your information that is wrong...as far as the driver point system is concerned.

 

Uh my information is right from the methodology they published which includes all of the formulas used in the system. Again read the link I published. Maybe I was wrong about law enforcement, but the rest is correct. Each basic has a different formula, there's fourteen different ones. Not all basics are reduced by clean inspections, but ones like maintenance are. Crash factor isnt.

Again if you read the methodology, severity weight is only one factor. The time weight actually works in our favor for most basics. When someone says "I have x points on my csa score" they don't know what they're talking about.

 

if you say so, but in the end go and spend 10 dollars and get your PSP report, and it will list your violations with a POINT total... and the ONLY way those points get reduced, is via time...

so you can try to say others don't know what they are talking about.
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But I do have 6 points on my PSP report.