Venting a trailer

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  1. RogerThat72

    RogerThat72 Road Train Member

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    Ok or possibly one of the caps near the dome? Idk I hope they unload it lol


    Not sure as I've never been there before. Usually depending on the chemical type, hazmat class. You either pump and air, pump only, or just air it off.
     
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  3. GasHauler

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    In a vapor recovery system the tanks are sealed at all times. That means when you're unloading the vapors are being pushed from the storage tank into the truck tank. If you are loading then the vapors are pushed out of the truck tank back into the tank farm or wherever you load from. That's the point of vapor recovery. Companies like to insure that this system works all the time so they will spec. the truck or the trailer to have the brakes come on when you open the vapor recovery. Most of the time they do this by a flapper valve located on the piping of the vapor recovery end so when you hook up the vapor hose it pushes in the valve and locks the brakes. Any gasoline hauler should know this. If they are venting their tank it's not only dangerous but against the law. Vapor recovery prevents any outside air into the tank. With gasoline it's done for EPA reasons and fire reasons. For other chemicals I would not know unless I looked in the books. It could be for safety reasons because if anyone gets a good inhalation dose they drop over dead. So your answer is you do not vent your tanks unless done the right way. Now I have time to time been ask to vent my tank because it's got to go in the shop. Without anyone knowing I open all the domes and down the highway I go.
     
  4. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I looked it up in the ERG book. The chemical name has 2 different placard numbers.

    2318 is page 135. It's a flammable that reacts with water.
    2949 is page 154. It looks to be a bit nastier and is listed as toxic by inhalation.

    Probably don't want to expose either to the air. I bet it's a customer unload but either way I wouldn't unload it without a closed vapor recovery system.
     
  5. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

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    I've never once hooked up a vapor recovery line. Every time that has been needed it's been a customer unload. I'd bet yours will be too. Besides, if you need to do it then the company should train you.
     
  6. RogerThat72

    RogerThat72 Road Train Member

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    The placard number is 2922 which is basically the same stuff or type of product as the 2949. Corrosive, toxic chemical.

    Actually picked this up in Mcadenville, NC which was a Superior loading station. Didn't know you guys did that but after talking to the guy I guess you have more then a dozen around the country. Learn something new every day.
     
  7. RockinChair

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    When you get to the consignee, ask if they will be pushing it off with air or nitrogen. If not, then just open the vapor recovery valve and let it serve as a vent.
     
  8. solitary_con

    solitary_con Light Load Member

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    It all depends on the trailer. On most of the "center load" trailers the vent is the same pipe that your fitting sits on that you use when pressure off-loading. Sometimes it sits on the dome, others it's a stand-alone. Just remove the fitting or if it is permanently attached, remove your hose then open your hydro valve.
     
  9. david123abc

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    NaHS smells like rotten eggs, hence not wanting to open the dome. I know we (Superior) have it listed as a no touch/can haul which basically means the customer is required to unload when we haul loads of it, so I would say there is a good chance you can just kick back and relax at your delivery.

    Side note, one of the ways they get that stuff is as a byproduct of refining gasoline. Somehow or another it separates out and the gas floats on top of it. I picked up a load at a small refinery in Kentucky once and the loader had to pay close attention to the storage tank level so he didn't begin pumping gas into my trailer.
     
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  10. GasHauler

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    It's all done by heat. The hotter the product the greater separation. Or close to it. The end product is light and can be mixed to form many other products. You heat it slightly and you'll have what we called in the navy "bunker" fuel. Heavy, messy, and very dirty to burn or anything else. Along the way you get basic gasoline which they take and do some cracking and other things to meet EPA standards. Just think it as a standing pipe. Going up the line the hotter it gets. Sealed at the bottom and many pipes coming out going up. As the temperature goes up the crude oil boils and you drain off what you need according to temperature. Gasoline is the main product and everything else is a plus nowadays. Years ago they burned off many dollars not knowing how or what to refine. A barrel of crude is 42 gallons and out of that barrel 20% is gasoline. That's the highest percentage of any product. The hotter the batch the lighter the product. Gasoline is towards the bottom BTW, H2S (Hydrogen Sulfide) can smell like rotten eggs also and if you get a big whiff of that stuff you're dead before you hit the floor.
     
  11. RogerThat72

    RogerThat72 Road Train Member

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    Hey guys, just wanted to give an update.


    So when I arrived here. I guess some use the vapor but he said others use the Chicago fitting. You just open it all the way and after the pressure from the product inside the tank filters it acts like a vent. So my hunch was right but that's why I wanted to double check.

    No heat, no nitrogen just good ol fashion gravity which I must say is moving pretty darn good should take about an hour or a little over.

    It is a smelly chemical like rotten eggs. Good example of it is like the stink bombs when we were kids. Anyways, after asking home like 20 times and having him sign my off load ppaper to cover my ###. I just opened the Chicago fitting and then did my hoses and connector fittings. Now I'm just sitting back and relaxing. If the dome was opened he said it would stink this entire little town out (Waterloo, NY).

    Guess I'll have to walk a two inch hose like 5 times but it is what is is. The last driver didn't so there was left over product in the hose. Customer was here to see wasn't happy. Could have been a problem if it was frozen. I'll do it right so he'll remember me lol.

    Well that's it! all the info and opinions helped thanks guys.

    Stay safe!
     
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