Using your rig for personal use

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  1. SteveScott

    SteveScott Road Train Member

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    My brother and his wife are moving from NorCal to a little town just outside of Greenville SC next month. They were going to rent a Uhaul box truck, but it's difficult finding one leaving California (because everybody is leaving California), and they want almost $10,000 for the one way trip. So naturally their next course of action was to ask if I could help, and of course I said sure.

    So I know there are some HOS exemptions on personal use. Not that I'll need them, but it's worth asking. Do I need a BOL for personal items? Just wondering about all of the ins and outs of using my equipment for something like this. Also wondering about tolls and taking I-80 vs I-40. It's around 100 miles longer on I-80 but I thought the higher speed limits in the west might offset that. I'm normally just a west coaster and rarely venture east of Denver, so any insight on best routes would be appreciated.
     
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  3. PoleCrusher

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    I would make up a bol, jic you get stopped at a scalehouse. Just put FAK or household goods in the items description. I would run 80 to Omaha, then drop down to KC, not many tolls to worry about really.
     
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    You are still going to have to hit scales, as that’s on the truck, I would however make sure you are set up to haul exempt commodities/your own stuff as well, writing up a bol for house hold goods puts you in an entirely different category for authority/insurance if you find the wrong cop
     
  5. Ridgeline

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    You will not have an HOS exemption, no matter what people say. You have to log just like you always have because even if it is your stuff on board, it still is a commercial vehicle.

    no need for a Bol, it is personal property, you are not hauling for hire.
     
  6. brian991219

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    Are you doing this without any compensation whatsoever?

    Your brother can't even pay for your fuel or anything otherwise it is not personal use, it would be for-hire household goods transport. Even without compensation, if we are going to be really technical, moving you brother's personal property is not the same as moving you own stuff. Yes, the FMCSA can get that picky if they want to and it is up to the roadside officer to decide if you are legit or in trouble.

    You will not have any hours of service relief, all the DOT rules will apply even if you can make the property your own stuff. This is not nearly the same as personal conveyance was intended to be used so every mile must be accounted for, logged and paperwork completed just as you would for any other trip.

    Since you said you don't venture east often, be sure you have the correct credentials for the route you take, meaning KYU numbers or NM weight distance depending on the route you choose.

    Lastly, you do have your own authority right? If not be sure to clear the trip with your carrier.
     
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  7. snowwy

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    Not for hire????

    What do those rigs pulling campers and horse trailers do?
     
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  8. SteveScott

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    For what it's worth, my brother is covering my costs, but it will be off the books so basically it will appear I'm covering everything and it's my property.

    The FMCSA web site says that I can use PC while hauling personal property, but as I said I doubt if I'll need to.

    If I take the southern route, I'm permitted for NM already. Any other states between NM and SC that require permits?

    Do I need some external lettering for the trip out stating "NOT FOR HIRE" or will it matter?
     
  9. brian991219

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    That depends on why they are pulling an RV or horse trailer.

    With horses specifically if there is any compensation, examples include prize money or sponsorship (think horse racing, rodeo, barrel riding, etc) then they are subject to all the same rules as any other commercial vehicle.

    RV trailers are simpler. If they are transporting it for a business purpose such as delivery to a dealer or it is work related housing then it is a commercial vehicle. If they are using it to go camping then it is personal and most likely the tractor is not a CMV.

    Not for hire is one of the most misunderstood and misused term in trucking. All not for hire means is the truck is not.moving product for someone else. Think about a private fleet operated by a grocery store, they would be not for hire yet subject to all the same rules and regulations as any other commercial vehicle except opersting authority. Simply putting the words not for hire on a truck is not a magic solution to avoid DOT regulations.
     
  10. brian991219

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    No, you will not need to put not for hire on your rig. You will still need to enter scales and port of entry locations and show them paperwork, or make a convincing argument that the property is yours.

    As for states other than NM, no others have special requirements along the southern route. The 4 states with special conditions applicable to a typical tractor trailer are NY, NM, KY and OR.
     
  11. SteveScott

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    What are the speed limits like east of Texas on I-40 to Atlanta?
     
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