Trucking Lore: Different types of truck wheels

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  1. Ex-Trucker Alex

    Ex-Trucker Alex Road Train Member

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    Back when I started driving, there were 2 types of wheels used; Budd wheels and Dayton wheels.
    Budd wheels are pretty much what everybody has today (although they are mostly called 'pilot-center' wheels), and are no longer made only by the Budd corporation.
    Dayton wheels, the type where the rim is held on by 5 hub arm bolts is now pretty much relegated to dump-trucks, but 40+ years ago a lot of road trucks (and probably even more road trailers) still had them. If you had them, a spare weighed less than a spare with a Budd rim, but they were a royal pain in the rectum to change (nearly always requiring the assistance of a sledgehammer).
    Some of the older Dayton wheels had split-rims, which were a good idea, and also a very bad idea; good because you could change tires and never have to 'break a bead'. The rims slid apart, so all you had to do was place your tube (yes, this was before tubeless truck tires...) inside the tire, slide the larger inner diameter rim half on, turn the tire over, and slide the slightly-larger outer diameter rim half together (also, the sledge came in handy with these...). No fighting a bead with a pry bar, you could just carry a spare tire and change it anywhere.
    The bad idea was that you couldn't air-up this type tire before mounting it. Sometimes there were clamps holding the 2 pieces together, but sometimes clamps fail, too. People have been killed by having a tubeless modern tire blow off the bead (I once had to call a tire vendor to inform them that the technician they had sent out to change a tire on on of my company's trucks had managed to decapitate himself in just such a manner...), and when a rim separated on one of these things, it could blow 1/4 of a mile away!
    They stopped making split-rims, but it took a few years before they finally disappeared. As they became rarer, tire techs really weren't on the lookout for them, and a few gruesome accidents happened, until they were finally banned on the roads. I hear that a few farmers still use them...
     
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  3. OldeSkool

    OldeSkool Road Train Member

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    Still see the old split rims in Vermont on the old trucks a lot. I know a guy who owned a tire shop that got knocked cuckoo by one. Ruined his business.
     
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    circle h Light Load Member

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    Those are split rims. Inner went flat on a deer shed. The adapter that the outer bolts to shattered. I don't know how we would change them if the weren't split rims. Tires are about 900 lbs each, so are the rims.
     
  5. SmallPackage

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    Real Split rims were made by Firestone and were the dangerous ones. They were never made in anything bigger then a 20”. There were two halves of the wheel clipped together in the drop center. Solid Beads, No lock rings. They were the “widow makers” i have one in my collection. All other tube type wheels were lock ring. Both Budd disc and Dayton Demountable types. There were two piece lock ring wheels which were usually built by Goodyear. Or 3 piece lock ring wheels which were the Firestone and Alcoa type.
     
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    SmallPackage Road Train Member

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    Back when you ordered Petes new and you ordered Disc wheels you had your choice of Goodyear and Firestone for the tires and they came with their steel wheels. The hand holes were visibly different. I have both kinds in my collection. Alcoas generally meant you were getting Firestones new.
     
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    These are the Firestone made “widow makers” true split rim. See were the two halves go together were the hub or brake drum would be. Any corrosion made them impossible to click back together causing the booms of legends. 50-50 chance of it holding together while airing up. Lock rings were 99% safe if a cave man didn't work with them.
     
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  8. drh72

    drh72 Light Load Member

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    Although Budd wheels and pilot hubs look the same they are different and not interchangeable.
     
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    When I first started driving for Monson Trucking in Duluth, MN we ran Dayton's and were issued a spare tire, bottle jack and lug wrench. We never wasted a day at the truck stop trying to get a tire changed, we just changed them ourselves and switched the blowout for a new spare at one of the Monson terminals.
     
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    Nobody runs spoke wheels anymore. Pretty much obsolete. Even the big heavy haul oilfield trucks are pretty much all hub pilot aluminum these days.

    No real advantage to spoke wheels over hub pilot. Too heavy, PITA to do brakes, ugly, have to be trued up every time you tighten one lug etc.
     
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  11. Ex-Trucker Alex

    Ex-Trucker Alex Road Train Member

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    Yeah, they seemed to make sense like 80 years ago when tires blew out a lot more often. A lot of cars used to have wheels like those...
     
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