TruckersReport - CDL HazMat Practice Test - Different answer

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  1. waveform

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    You guys are going to kill me. I found one more that has a different answer. and another one that's not referencing anything.
    I'm thinking the authors who wrote the California hand book just wanted to be difficult..lol

    TTR question:
    When a spill occurs of an RQ, substance the carrier has within____to report the spill
    The Test says, 15 days. My CA handbook says 30. See Page 128 on the right - mid way down the page here

    Now this one I can't find in my book so I'm not sure.
    But the TTR Question says:
    The driver must also carry on his person at all times a dated certificate signed by the employer. The certificate must also be updated every___. The test says 2 years.
    I'm not sure what type of certificate this pertains to?
    Also, the only thing I see about a driver carrying a certificate (in my book) pertains to hazardous waste manifests. It states that the transporter must keep a copy for 3 years. So I don't know maybe I missed something in my book, or it's not printed.. hmm. Now that I think of it, I do remember something in the book saying something about needing to be updated. I thought it pertained to or had something to do with the cleaning of tankers for food products. I can't seem to find it. But I remember something on the side of certain kind of tanks needing to be updated or certified. Too much stuff to remember..haha.
     

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  3. CondoCruiser

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    The first question is 30 days.




    That second question must refer to the Carriers Hazmat permit you must carry in the truck usually in your permit book, Form MCS-150. It has to be updated every 2 years.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=390.19

    Also

    Cylinders like Oxygen/Acetylene tanks I know have to be inspected every 10 years. Liquid tanks right off hand I'm not sure but they do carry inspection labels or stamped.
     
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  4. waveform

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    Thanks for the info CondoCruiser.

    It's interesting, my book does mention the Hazmat permit needs to be carried in the truck but didn't say how long before it needed to be updated.
    I noticed also when I was looking at the Illinois CDL book (Where I moved from) some of their hazmate examples are more explanatory then the California CDL book which was surprising.
    The Illinois book also has test questions at the end of each chapter, and from what I remember last time I tested in Illinois those are the same questions during test time. No tricks. The CA book has no such thing.
    Obviously the more one references difference sources and on the job training the more experience they'll gain.

    But no question, to a degree, there are some differences among state study books and tests.
     
  5. waveform

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    One more misleading question.

    The question was:
    It is acceptable to use a placard with the world DANGEROUS if:


    • You load less then 5000 LBs of specified materials at once place.
    • You have two or more specified materials which total more than 1000 lbs
    • both A & B above
    • either A or B above

    The answer was Both A & B according to TTR, which is wrong

    There are two issues here according to my book:

    1. The rule of using dangerous placards applies to Table 2 hazards. Table two being the less severe. Only table two materials can use Dangerous.
    2. You can only use dangerous if you have not loaded 2,205 lbs or more, Not 5000. So according to the Truck Report, anything under 5000, (let say 4,999 lbs) would make it ok, however that would Not be ok because the max is 2,205lbs and not more then 2,205lbs.


    The second test answer would be right, except that it makes no mention of whether or not these are Table 1 or Table 2 materials which should be mentioned. But the larger issue here is the amount loaded in one place should be 2,205lbs or less. Page 118 bottom
     

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    This is wrong also

    Which of the following is the proper definition of a cargo tank?


    • A bulk container not permanently attached to a vehicle
    • A bulk container permanently attached to a vehicle
    • both choices A & B
    • None of the above.

    During the test I picked Both Choices A & B. The test said it was choice 2 (a bulk container permanently attached to a vehicle).

    However, according to the CA handbook, Page 163 a Cargo tank is any bulk liquid or compressed gas package whether or not permanently attached ....is loaded or unloaded without being removed from vehicle.
     

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  7. CondoCruiser

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    Acceptable!
     
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    [h=2]§171.8 Definitions and abbreviations.[/h]
     
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  9. waveform

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    Hi condoCruiser.
    Thankfully I'm done with his darn test. I just aced the hazmat test yesterday at the Temecula DMV, Got all 20 right.
    I thought I was going to fail because there were about 5 or 6 that were worded differently then my book, but I somehow nailed it. The TTR was very helpful even with the issues I've mentioned.
    Now I need to do the TSA assessment process. I owe a big Thank You to you and everyone for the support and practice test.

    I think all states have their own twist on the wording of regulations which makes things confusing.







    With regard to Dangerous placards:
    What I'm saying is, the TTR question is too vague, It is NOT acceptable in all circumstances and the truck drivers report is not specifying the circumstances. The question on the site is too general. The question can be misleading as I mentioned because the answer can be right or wrong depending on circumstances.



    The question was:
    It is acceptable to use a placard with the world DANGEROUS if:



    • You load less then 5000 LBs of specified materials at once place.
    • You have two or more specified materials which total more than 1000 lbs
    • both A & B above
    • either A or B above
    The answer according to The Truck Drivers Report was both A & B. I believe that is wrong. The Truck Drivers Report test specifies “Less then” 5000 lb's in one place. That would imply that loading 4000 lbs (which is less then 5000) would be legal. However it would not be legal because the laws says you can use Dangerous if you have not loaded more then 2,205lbs in one place.
    Look at the text you pasted (quoted below), It says:
    So answer answer A & B would be wrong, and there for it is not acceptable because you must use the specified table 2 for the specific category of warnings if it's more then 2,205lbs.





    With regard to Bulk packaging:

    I'm not questing the definitions. The truck report test answer is wrong.
    I picked choice number 3, which is both A, and B. Choices A and B are identical. The only difference is that choice (a) pertains to a container that is NOT permanently attached. And the choice (b) pertains to a container that IS permanently attached.



    Since the test question at TTR is only asking about “how the container is attached”, the answer would be both A & B, not (B only)

    Because the handbook says, “whether or not permanently attached”.
    Truck Driver Report said the answer was B - A bulk container permanently attached to a vehicle
    But it could also be Not Permanently attached.



    In any case, no big deal.
    In the end, The Truck Driver Report test really helped me out because it made me think about things I might have skipped over.
     
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  10. CondoCruiser

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