Yes....another problem. My truck sat all week due to some snow we got here. I went out on Thursday to start it and it was struggling to start. I am not sure how long the batteries had been in it, so I pulled the battery box to attempt to jump it. I noticed that one battery was missing, so it had 3 in there. I pulled them out and took to get tested. He told me they had around 600 cranking amps on them and they are 1000 cranking amp batteries. I said screw it....give me 4 new ones. I got the 4 home and installed them. Truck still would not fire. After trying it for 10 secs or so, it sounded as if the batteries were dead. I ran a cable to it and plugged it in. I let it sit all night and attempted to try again the next morning. Went out the next day, same thing...turning, turning...nothing.
I went and bought some Diesel 911. Poured some in the tank, waited. Then I thought to check the fuel filters for gel. I got the one outside the frame off and it was all liquid inside. I wasn't able to get the one inside the frame off. Too tight. I pumped the primer and it was tight for about two pumps and then no stiffness to it. I had my wife come out and try to start it while I was at the engine, with the filter off. NO fuel spit out of where the filter goes.
This tells me it's not starting because the engine isn't getting any fuel. I don't know if the other fuel filter is gel inside or not. I went and bought two more filters and a wrench, but haven't gotten to it yet to take filter off, see inside and install the new 2.
I am not sure at this point if I have a frozen fuel line or a dead fuel pump. It was 55 degrees here all day today, so I would think the lines would have thawed out.
I'm at a lost. Sucks so bad. First job lined up for tomorrow and truck is essentially dead.
Thoughts?
Truck won't start
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Gix1k, Mar 1, 2020.
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If the filter you had off is the one between the fuel tank and lift pump, you will not see fuel pumping out of it when you crank it.
If you pumped the hand primer with any filters removed, it won't stay stiff as you're either pump fuel out on the ground or sucking air.
Lets go back to the batteries. Sounds like it struggles to crank. Since its got new batteries, I'd be checking all the cables and connections between the batteries and starter, batteries and frame, and starter and engine/frame if it has any. 4 brand new batteries should spin that engine over almost effortlessly even at temperatures slightly below freezing. -
Here is a pic I took of the old batteries to make sure I put it all back correctly. There are only four cables connected to them. The main positive and negative. Also those smaller two cables, which I have no idea where they lead or what they are to.
I haven’t bothered anything else. The truck was running fine, sat 4 days, died, got new batteries and won’t start.Attached Files:
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Those cable ends look a little nasty. The green corrosion is not good for power transfer. It will cause a voltage drop across it. Each voltage drop will result in less power to spin the engine over. It can also affect the voltage available to the ECM. Once you get sub-9 volts to the ECM its a crapshoot as to whether or not the ECM has enough power to operate the injector solenoids.
Even if cleaning all the cable ends/replacing any damaged or rotten cables doesn't fix the issue, it'd still be a good idea to get done for PM and peace of mind.Shawn2130, Sirscrapntruckalot, Opendeckin and 1 other person Thank this. -
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I'd definitely clean up the connections at the starter as well as where the grounds connect to the frame. I can't remember how Volvo connected their grounds but I was told some manufacturers used a star washer between the cable and frame rail that would cause issues once the rusted up a bit.
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Do like @AModelCat advised. Electricity, especially DC, doesn't like resistance, that's why those cables are the size they are. That green corrosion in the upper left of your picture doesn't look good either. You might not be able to tell how far up inside the cable the corrosion goes. You might need to replace it. If you replace the cables, don't skimp on the quality or gauge. With 4 new batts, that should spin easy like he said.
I'd take each cable off, inspect for corrosion, and put the ends to a wire wheel= shiny brass and put back on coated with copper conductive never seize. Wire wheel to the starter and frame connections also. Ensure all your electrical connections are clean & shiny. Don't overlook the ground cables either, and make sure you have a clean ground connection between the engine, frame, and batteries.
If after doing all that doesn't solve it, and I believe it likely will, you may have a starter on its way out.Gix1k Thanks this. -
Do the dash lights ( check engine etc) come on, with key in the on position? If not the 2 little wires for ecm are suspect. Mine has an in-line 5 amp fuse, on little hot wire to the ecm. Won’t start if it’s blown. Have you tried a little shot of ether? Little bit won’t hurt it. I’m thinking maybe you lost prime changing filters. I forgot to turn my shutoff valve back on a few weeks back afterwards. Used a whole can of either, before I realized it. Lol. Not the first time I’ve made that mistake.
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Yeah if it’s got a primer pump, that’s what they’re supposed to do. Usually if ecm isn’t getting power, it will run on ether,or act like it wants to run. Check for dash lights, with key in run position, they should light up in “ test “ mode. No lights, no ecm power. Bad fuse wire or connections( frame ground) as mentioned. 55 degrees is plenty warm, shouldn’t have been gelled at all.
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