Trainer training methods

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by coastie, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. coastie

    coastie Road Train Member

    I seeing on here and see many who Opinions are the trainer should be there watching the trainee 24/7. Wrong. And if you ever watch a teacher teach a class, the teacher gives the lesson, watch the student practice then leaves let the student do it on his own. That is the basic 101 in teaching. If you research most companies training programs and how they suppose to run always the first week it the Trainer sitting in jump seat instructing. (Not always the case as see below my trainer) But never the less the Trainer should always make sure the student is ready before leaving him alone, which your good trainers do. The trainee should and always has his CDL prior to going out with a trainer, so Trainer is not required in Jump seat when trainee is driving. So no laws Broken. But to say the trainer should be in the Jump seat at all times is just being arrogant.

    THe question of trainer in the sleeper while student driving not all what many think it is. A good trainer may go back and nap but most sleep lightly after they get comfortable with the student driving and is always on call when the student is driving. Teaching does not require 24/7 eye on the student. Once the student gets the basics down of going down the highway with out running over someone it maybe better to let him be so he can get use to the driving with out a security blanket. While the trainer is in the back he is listening for the student calling and to what going on up front. Grind a gear to many times sounds of the student getting excited or scared. Or the Air Horn being blown.

    When I was being trained My trainer went in the back, if I needed him I tap the curtain and he was popping his head out to see what what. Once a lady open her door sitting on the white line and I had 2 other trucks crowding me on the left. I blew the horn to say LOOK OUT. He popped out to see what going on second later. He also was listening to my shifting. When he was up in the jump seat Grinding them all the time. When he was n back smooth sailing. He took notice. He did say to me he normally did not jump back in the sleeper so fast after taking on a new trainee. But he seen I had my head in the game and was cautious in what I was doing. I stopped once cause I was getting tired, so I stopped and got something to drink and to let the snow hit me in the face to wake me so i could continue on, only had a few miles left to go. He took notice. He was there when I needed him, and to teach me new things when it was time to. It was not all just to team drive. But to give me breathing room so I could comprehend more what I was being taught.

    I do recall we did park some nights or when my driving time was over so My trainer could get some solid sleep. So yes he was paying attention to what I was doing even in a half slumber sleep.
     
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  3. Phil S

    Phil S Light Load Member

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    I don't know if it's good or bad but I do know that any 'trainer' who can nap with a student driving, has far more testicular fortitude than I have.
     
  4. coastie

    coastie Road Train Member

    Most even the one I had when I started do not till they are comfortable with the student
     
  5. Vito

    Vito Heavy Load Member

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    You mean ignorant. Sorry, I used to be a teacher so I couldn't resist.

    That being said, it seems as though you've written this in the spirit of "What can a trainer get away with, doing the very least while training." That's what I find disturbing. I know trainers that will sit in the jump seat at all times, AND stay awake! My hats off to them. But with new drivers who have just gotten their CDL, no matter how you slice it and dice it, it's always safer to have the trainer observe at all times!

    I'm not sure why you've written this, but you seem to be making excuses for lazy trainers. That's just my opinion.
     
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  6. jeff3000

    jeff3000 Bobtail Member

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    I just got done training another driver this week. I don't think it is wise to be in the back sleeping. Especially with new drivers. I can understand if the trainee has been driving for a few years. However the overall performance and ability of the experienced would have to be proven first before I would venture in the bunk for a quick 20.
     
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  7. Phil S

    Phil S Light Load Member

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    As I said previously, more testicular fortitude than I. There aren't many "professional" drivers I'd be comfortable sleeping behind; absolutely zero students.
     
  8. jeff3000

    jeff3000 Bobtail Member

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    I would agree. I have had some pretty scary situations sitting in the passenger seat, even with "experienced" drivers.
     
  9. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    If a trainer is training it should be just that,not using the trainees for team loads and pay them nothing more then spending money.Heck kids that babysit make more money then what trainees get paid.
     
  10. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    What with all the formal schooling and training programs these days I can certainly understand students and new drivers having an expectation of having a trainer watch over their every move. For those of us that were taught "old school" I can say that my training is probably typical. I got my permit, got in a truck with an owner/operator, and got behind the wheel with him in the passenger seat. After he was comfortable I could drive he was in the sleeper berth and we were team driving. This isn't something new and it isn't because the O/O was "lazy" by any stretch of the imagination, it is/was the reality of truck driving. Two people in a truck means to maximize revenue one person needs to be sleeping. Certainly there are times when a trainer will have to say that they just aren't comfortable sleeping when a particular student is behind the wheel. I know of more than one case where a student has been booted off a truck because the trainer felt that the student made them way too nervous. Not everyone is cut out to drive a truck.I agree with the OP that expecting a trainer to be awake and watching over a student 100% of the time during training is overkill (no pun intended). Students learn by direct teaching and then by being able to apply what they've learned without the teacher hovering over them.Frankly speaking, when getting back into trucking and having to go through training I wasn't that impressed with the teaching methods of my own trainer. I had more OTR experience than he did, going back decades ago. While he did show me a few good pointers regarding set up for backing and how to use the Qualcomm, he was clueless how to teach. I did eventually tell him to basically not to say anything when I was getting the truck backed into a spot, in less than fully polite terms. Trying to micromanage every move is not the way to teach, just tell the student what you want done then shut up and let them make the plan and execute the plan. Stop them if they are about to hit something, otherwise wait until it is done and then critique them.
     
  11. Oaker

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    As a soon to be trainee... I will not hire onto a company that teams while training. My skill level is above average for new drivers, but I'm not interested in learning by mistake the hard way.

    Drive safe...
     
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