Trainer says don't pay attention to 18 speed shift pattern #'s

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Michael-CO, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Michael-CO

    Michael-CO Light Load Member

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    I am with a new driver trainer and he is calling low gear 1 (18 speed), 1st gear in the top of the "H" 2, 3rd gear 4, 5th gear 6th, 7th gear 8th, and 8th gear 9th. He refers to the gears as "5 on the bottom and 4 on the top..." This is completely different then what is literally posted on the knob of the gear shifter.

    Every driver teacher I have been with refers to the gears the same as printed on the gear shift where 1st is the top of the H, 2nd the bottom of the H, 3rd the top right of the H, and 4th the bottom right of the H, just like it is printed on the gear shift diagram.

    He calls "low" gear 1 and works his way up from there. He insists on calling it this, and now when I am driving, he mentions a gear different from the diagram and how I learned it, and he said this is pretty common in the industry. When I am asking a specific question about a gear or what gear to be in, I have to switch my thinking to match his to have a conversation.

    It's driving me nuts since I have never heard of this, and spent two weeks in school learning gears being called out just like they are referred to on the diagram, and quite honestly, it's pissing me off and making it difficult to communicate.

    Is this pretty common in the industry when someone is referring to the low gear they really mean they are speaking about gear 1, and so forth??

    Seems like every single person I get behind the wheel with as an instructor of some type, has a completely different way of doing things and tells you to ignore everything else you have learned. I am already getting tired of having to relearn or retrain my mind to do something different every time I get a different person teaching me how to drive.

    I don't want to learn the gears like he is saying and call them for what they are in the diagram.

    When I asked him if I spoke technical to other folks in the industry, are they going to support what he says on the gear numbers and know what the hell I am talking about? He didn't answer me in a confident way.

    I was also taught NEVER change gears while in the middle of a turn. NEVER coast to a red light, stop sigh, etc... in neutral, but they are telling me to forget all that and teaching me to do it differently.

    Thoughts?
     
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  3. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    Many. Simply, learn it, then call it whatever you want
     
  4. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    When I went to cdl school the instructors had a similar difference of opinion. There is no standard, wrap your mind around it and truck on.

    Or just learn to shift and grab the appropriate gears before he feels the need to say anything.
     
  5. JonJon78

    JonJon78 Road Train Member

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    Ya, I've got 18. Half are unused... No need to perfect the gear #s... Just don't grind, half you'll skip anyhow...
     
  6. Espressolane

    Espressolane Road Train Member

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    Make him really crazy and just drive it like a 13 speed.
    All the years of driving an 18, most of the time, unless it was really heavy or was working down a lease road, never really split the low side.
     
  7. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I’ll second that.
     
  8. Gliding ProStar

    Gliding ProStar Heavy Load Member

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    Some people have their own way of doing things in our industry. That's fine. You will too once you are on your own. I never worries about the numbers and I still don't. I use my engine RPM and road speed to determine what gear I want to be in. When I am pulling hills or in the mountains I still use my engine RPM and road speed to guide me and especially when I am about to go downhill.

    My best advice is to pay attention to what your engine RPM is at during normal driving situations. Keep the engine RPM in the range that your truck pulls it's best. When I am teaching a new 13/18 speed driver I like to remove the shift pattern from the shift knob and cover up the tag on the instrument panel and make them learn the location of the gears and then determine what gear to be in for the current conditions.
     
  9. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    I run an 18 and If asked I guess I would say I give each gear a number starting at 1 and up to 18. I don't think most others do. I pretty much never use 1 or 2 or low low and low. I also pretty much never split the low side. Do what works for you and don't get hung up on difference in opinion.

    Not shifting in an intersection is probably good for a newbie so you don't miss a gear mid turn but also if you are starting in low low that takes a long time to get through the intersection.
     
  10. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Once the tractor is straight in the lane AND the trailer has cleared, start grabbing gears. On a cdl test, that's a no no, but so is doing more than two pull ups.

    As for slowing for stops, in a 10 speed I would encourage my guys get to low range, but wouldn't get pissy if they needed to stop in 7th. The rule is no more than 1 vehicle length with the clutch in.

    I cared more that they could bump into any gear and get going than what gear they stopped in.
     
  11. roundhouse

    roundhouse Road Train Member

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    Got behind a driver yesterday that was making a right left town at an intersection and he must have missed a gear .
    He got about halfway through and almost stopped and then I saw the fender lurch up and he started off again .
     
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