Trailer Tire Pressure... I know, I know.....

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Grumppy, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I searched for this topic & didnt find any specific thread on trailer tires or an answer to this question. While there were several threads on steer & drive tires, not really anything on trailers.
    My end question is, how much air should be in 295/75/22.5 dry van trailer tires.

    My reason for asking: I got stopped for a roadside inspection by a La State trooper last week. He started simple, with paperwork & didn't find anything so he went to the next step & checked lights etc, no problems so he started checking tires. He found two trailer tires on the left side that were "under inflated". After he found those on the driver side, he just stopped the inspection & wrote the violation. He was nice & polite but I am assuming that once he stopped me, he just needed to find something to write. After finding something, he was done & on his way.

    Anyway, I just started working for this company & they run 80 lb in the trailers. Personally, I go by the sidewall specs which is 100 PSI cold. Since the trooper did not put the tire pressure on the DOT report, I don't know what the pressure was because I didn't really look at the report until I got to my stop about an hour later. (I know, I know... But I didn't)
    I Googled "FMCSA & under inflated tires", to see what the rule was & how low a tire has to be, to be considered "under inflated". The rulings I found stated that anything under the rating on the sidewall is considered "under inflated". So, in reality, if a tire has a rating of 100 lb cold, it can be considered under inflated at 99 lb.
    Anything at half the rated pressure is considered flat & is an OOS violation.

    I am assuming that the tire company we use, inflates trailer tires to 80 since every tire I have put a gauge on since last week, has shown around 80 with some showing around 90.... but, most are right at 80 lb.

    Since all our trailer tires are at or around 80, I try to keep them there, however, previously, my understanding was 100 lb...??

    Some side notes:
    At the time I was basically empty with only about 100 empty folded flat cardboard boxes for the customer to put our product in.
    I had already run about 150 miles when the inspection was done so tires were hot.
    It was cold that day at about 40 - 45 degrees
    Normally we never get to 40,000 lb loads but occasionally we do get close. I would say most of the time we average around 30,000 lb of cargo.
    I am just curious, if most of our trailer tires are at 80 & he was going by sidewall info, why weren't all of them low? (I didn't have a tire gauge with me at the time)
    I have had road side inspections as well as a level one in a coop about two weeks ago. I didnt have problems there. So, if our trailers are generally at 80 lb, why hasn't any other inspections caught that?

    So....
    I am just curious where you try to keep your trailer tire pressure & what you consider under inflated & where you feel you need to inflate.

    As always, thanks for your relevant answers...
     
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  3. TruckerPete1990

    TruckerPete1990 Road Train Member

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    thats why tires should be at 110. My company runs em at 100 but i go and put 110 in. You get better fuel millage that way and if i get stopped i dont have to worry..
     
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  4. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    80 pounds is too low. If they are intentionally inflating them to 80 then they are intentionally trying to make you unemployable due to eventual poor CSA score. You might get away with 80 lbs in the winter for a time, but in the summer they will not last long before popping or coming apart. Chances are good if they are 80, they are in the process of losing air. Rapid weather changes can cause some tires with small leaks to leak more, faster.
     
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  5. Bakerman

    Bakerman Road Train Member

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    We only haul furniture in our trailers and our average gross is about 55,000 lbs. We never inflate our past 90 psi, and I think we've had 1 blowout in 20 yrs. running the desert between Phx. and LA.
     
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  6. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Noted, but there is a big difference between 80 and 90 lbs, and 34k and 24k
     
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  7. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    According to the Michelin website, a 22.5 LP can carry 18,000# per axle @ 80 psi. This is one of those deals where you have cops who think that the max pressure listed on the tire is the required pressure, and that is not true!

    Here's the law:

    Just another example of a driver getting screwed by someone with no common sense.
     
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  8. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    You should be able to have that violation removed through the data-q process. When you submit your data-q, include the above quote regarding tire inflation pressures. Also make sure to note in your comments that neither the inflation pressure, nor the actual weight of the axles was recorded on the inspection report, therefore it was impossible to make a determination that the tires were under inflated.
     
  9. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    The driver did not get screwed by someone with no common sense, the driver screwed himself. Why? Because he did not ask the officer to show him FROM THE BOOK how he arrived at the conclusion that the tires were under inflated. If he had done this, then the driver would have seen the information and would have realized that the equipment was in compliance.

    Note - you might want to wait until the inspection is complete to ask that question. Otherwise, the inspector may decide to dig deeper to 'find' something else.
     
  10. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    I believe you are mistaken.

    Note that the regulation states, "a cold inflation pressure less than that specified for the load being carried." The information on the tire sidewall is the maximum cold inflation pressure in order to carry the maximum legal load for that tire. All tire manufacturers have recommended inflation pressures based on the load the tire is expected to carry. If that load is less than the maximum then the tire inflation pressure is likewise reduced in order to provide the best balance of safety, ride, tire longevity, etc.

    I just picked a tire in the size you quoted at random since you did not specify what tires are in question. The data specifics vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and tire to tire, but you will find all manufacturers have similar tables.

    From the Bridgestone Truck Tire Data Book, March 2013:

    Two examples of 295/75R/22.5 if a maximum expected load of 5,000 lbs/tire (40,000 lbs/8 tires) in dual configuration, then the recommended cold inflation pressures are approximately 80 psi or 95 psi, depending on the specific tire.

    If those same tires were only expected to be subjected to a maximum load of 3,750 lbs/tire (30,000 lbs/8 tires), then the recommended inflation pressures drop to 70 psi (the minimum recommended cold inflation pressure).


    http://www.trucktires.com/bridgestone/us_eng/load/databooks_pdf/B_MediumLightTruckDataBook.pdf pg. 103
     
  11. rwdfinch50

    rwdfinch50 Medium Load Member

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    The only reason I can think of for why the company would run them at 80 psi is they are thinking when the tire heats up, the pressure will be at 100, but that doesn't make sense. For one thing, the tires set at 100 cold will end up around 110 or even a little higher when hot from running for awhile.
    Also, an under inflated tire will run hotter than a properly inflated tire and wear uneven, not to mention the effects on fuel economy due to excessive resistance caused by under inflation. If you've ever ridden a bicycle with low tires, then you know it takes extra effort to pedal the bike, not to mention the loss of control you have with low tires on your bike. When the tires are inflated properly, it's much easier to pedal. Multiply that by 18, and you can imagine the extra power needed to move the truck. All wasted fuel.
    I just don't see the benefits of running low pressure.
     
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