Trailer tandem slider holes

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  1. Ex-Trucker Alex

    Ex-Trucker Alex Road Train Member

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    I'm surprised about how many truckers don't know the details about the hole spacing on tandem sliders. Like, "which hole do I need to be in to be legal"? So, here are the specifics, which apply to probably 99% of all trailers in North America:

    The first thing you need to know are Axle Distance Requirements: This is the distance from your kingpin to the LAST axle on your trailer. Shorter distance means less offset when turning. Many states limit how far this can be, many don't. For example, NY allows 42', PA only allows 41', and CA, of course goes to the extreme and only allows 40', on or off the freeway, NO exceptions. All this has nothing to do with where you might WANT your tandems to make your load legal, so sometimes it pays to consider this before loading. ESPECIALLY if you are going through CA! Essentially, the requirements for CA are where your tandems would sit back on a 45' trailer....

    So, on MOST trailers, hole#1 is 39'6", which is the requirement for Idaho 'off US highway". Usually not needed, unless you chose to take back roads in Idaho.

    Hole#2 is 40', or the "California Hole", often marked with some red paint. Move your tandems into this hole BEFORE you cross the border into CA; those Caltrans officers can spot a non-complying trailer a mile away!

    From there, each hole is 6" further. Hole#4 makes you legal for the 41' states, Hole#6 is legal for the 42' states, etc.
     
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  3. FozzyNOK

    FozzyNOK Road Train Member

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    If you have an atlas and a tape measure.. you have enough
     
  4. ducnut

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    I wouldn’t be so quick with all that. My previous employer had two generations of Utility trailers and the tandem rails were different lengths and the number of holes to length were different. They had very handy decals on the side of the trailers with hole settings for each state. In addition, they gave everyone very nice, laminated charts with hole settings. One side was for early trailers and the other side for later trailers.
     
  5. Jubal Early Times

    Jubal Early Times Road Train Member

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    They also have holes that are spaced differently
     
  6. dptrucker

    dptrucker Road Train Member

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    not al kingpin requirements are last axle.
    some are middle of tandem tires.
     
  7. Knightcrawler

    Knightcrawler Road Train Member

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    This true? I thought it was always the middle of the tandems.

    Well, just spot checked the above: Size and Weight Limitations

    For a combination consisting of a single trailer and a tractor, the length of a single trailer may not exceed 53 feet, provided the distance between the kingpin of the trailer and the centerline of the rear axle or axle group does not exceed 41 feet.

    So he is wrong on the above, at least for PA.
     
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  8. ducnut

    ducnut Road Train Member

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    IL and IN, respectively.
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    I keep them on my phone to prove to my 2nd pickup as to why we can’t load 35K pounds in the back-half of a trailer. :rolleyes:
     
  9. FozzyNOK

    FozzyNOK Road Train Member

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    Totally true.. different states have different measurement points
     
  10. Knightcrawler

    Knightcrawler Road Train Member

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    Yes, I know the lengths are different, but I didnt realize that some required the center of the rear axle.
     
  11. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    I would not bet my license on just counting the holes on the trailer rail to avoid a ticket. Even if some guy on the internet is 100% certain. I've pulled trailers from different manufacturers where the hole number tor CA or 41 foot mark would be different. Also, states measure the kingpin to the X distance differently than other states. For example, one state may measure from the kingpin to the middle of the tandem axle set. Some states measure to the last axle hub, etc.

    One company had a notebook and for trailer numbers XXXX to XXXZ the CA hole was A. For trailers numbers ZZZZ through YYYY the CA limit was another hole. Each state publishes their kingpin to axle requirements, many drivers call this measurement various things including "bridge law" in error. Also, drivers may start counting from a different location than another driver. If you have a CDL it's your job to find out those answers, not just ask around until some random stranger tells you "you're OK" and another tells you his life philosophy and why every rule is stupid and he ignores all of them. Look in the regulations for the answers to regulation questions. Even if the trainer at your first company told you something, it doesn't override the regulations or keep you from getting a ticket.
     
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