To TONU or NOT to TONU... That is the question

Discussion in 'Landstar' started by LSAgentOZR, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. LSAgentOZR

    LSAgentOZR Road Train Member

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    I agree 100% Forty. And I did get more money for the load. Enough to cover all additional permits/escorts and some extra for their efforts. Thing is, the guys there to load claimed this BCO was an "absolute jerk." I haven't seen that in any of my dealings with him, and I know there's two sides to every story so I let that slide. But they were adamant they weren't taking the load. The tank sitting on their trailer put their trailer at 19 1/2". They claimed with the tank on, the total height was 14'10". But two people measured it there and said it was only 12'5". The guy who came in to pick up in place of them has it sitting at 14'1" on his trailer and it's not a super specialized rig.

    I never once said I don't own anything. I said the customer isn't willing to pay a TONU because the team wouldn't even try to make it work. He's the one paying the bill. If I paid every driver a TONU or detention out of my own pocket when the customer refused to I wouldn't be in business long. We're here to make a living as well. You don't do that by giving all of your money away. They grabbed another load that day, went to Vegas and held over at the casino for a few days waiting for their next load out of CA, so no, they didn't have 3 days invested waiting. You'd be hard pressed to get me to pay you what you're wanting, but want is good.... builds character. I don't get paid well for what I do, I get paid decent. $43,000 last year before taxes to be exact. As far as the visitation offer... you're more than welcome to drop by. I would encourage you to rethink that last statement though.

    I appreciate the support. I actually posted this without announcing my intent to compensate them in some way because I didn't want it skewing the answers I received. I got the typical "The broker is the antichrist" flak I expected, and then I got some supportive answers and I sincerely appreciate them. They will be compensated for the lost load, I just can't afford to pay them $500-1,000 out of my own pocket.

    You seem to fail to understand, I had them measure before posting the load and have an email confirming the dimensions they gave me. I can't do more than that without physically being there to measure myself. My customer went down and watched them measure when they called in and disputed the height they claimed it to be. It turned out NOT to be the height they claimed it to be as can be seen from the reports of the driver currently hauling it for me. I'll reconsider my position on this customer when you send me two accounts paying $1 million a year in revenue. Until then, you can keep wishing. I have six families to support, and now with my father having recently passed it's that much harder. I have no problem with your attitude. I have a problem with your lack of general respect and sense of entitlement. You and I will never see eye to eye. Facts are facts.
     
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  3. Real Deal

    Real Deal Medium Load Member

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    If the load was measured wrong by the shipper then the shipper owes TONU. If they dont pay it you should pay it. Out of your pocket. Or drop that crackerhead shipper that cant read a tape measure. If he is a million dollar account then that is a drop in the bucket.
     
  4. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    company drivers get tired of crap that rolls there way also. and they usually move on. maybe you shouild give MOVING ON some consideration also. if you can't deal with the crap that rolls your way. cuz i don't think there's any type of print anywhere that gaurantees you a happy camper on every load.
     
  5. kwloo

    kwloo Medium Load Member

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    " As far as the visitation offer... you're more than welcome to drop by"

    I'll bring the beer. Sounds like you're down a buck or two from looking after your driver
     
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  6. landstar8891

    landstar8891 Road Train Member

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    That is why i move on to the next load...The problem lies with ''needy desperate'' drivers that will put up with anything to make a BUCK....SAD
     
  7. landstar8891

    landstar8891 Road Train Member

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    It is a Million Dollar account...Brokers/Companies and Agents will toss a driver under the bus any day of the week,before they loose a customer....Welcome to the dirty game of trucking..
     
  8. dogcatcher

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    Well All/ well most of you have brought valid points to this, BUT Good customer or bad somebody needs to hold there feet to the fire! To many customers think its just a truck and who care, we can just get another. Industry wide its become acceptable to screw the agent/ driver and its our fault! The big box companies suckup so hard and bid so hard against each other just to get the account it hurts everyone. The shippers look at as a norm now. As far as OD loads heck Ive had build sheets sent to me and the Dims are still wrong, plus add height of your trailer, cribbing the way its loaded can change the dims, there are a lot of variables with OD loads. Now if its just a total screwup all around, Yea I count on my agent to go to bat for me and get me that TONU or detention time, but I never count on getting it. ( the difference between a good agent or bad). Now if its a customer that Ive been getting a load a month out of and its a total screw up on either my part or theres I might be a little forgiving. sometimes it happens!
    The biggest thing you all have to remember AGENTS and BCOs, is this is a customer service industry, good service = good work good loads, that's what generally sets LS aside from the BIG BOX companies. a lot of the customers I deal with will only load LS trucks because of our professionalism. I mean this by how we look, work and act!
    No I cant speak for the dryvan side but I tend to see those guys getting beat up a heck of a lot more than anyone else, To much completion and to many crooked brokers and shippers who just don't plain give a dam about anything but them selves.
     
  9. Agent Marc

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    Asking the agent to pay out of pocket for mistakes made by others is absurd. I operate in good faith that my customer knows what he's talking about. If it turns out that he made a mistake, I have no problem asking him for more money to correct the mistake. That having been said, if the driver doesn't have any desire to save the load, my loyalty to him drops in proportion to his apathy. If I sell a 40K lb load and it turns out to be 45, I will get you additional money. If it's 52K, I'll get you a TONU, if it's 45 and you drive off site before I can correct the problem, what loyalty do I owe you?
     
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  10. Real Deal

    Real Deal Medium Load Member

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    This BCO deadheaded 500 miles to pick up this load. So he had $350.00 in fuel alone. Plus 8 hrs of driving time. He needs $1000.00 to cover his time. When he showed up the load was too tall for him to haul under Landstar's mickey mouse rules. So he cant move it . He is owed $500.00 TONU. But once again the truck driver gets screwed. Nobody looses money here but the truckdriver.
     
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  11. Agent Marc

    Agent Marc Bobtail Member

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    What are Landstar's Mickey Mouse rules? All I have to go by is what is legal and what is not. If the load is illegal for the type of truck the shipper ordered, I will fight like Sherman to get a TONU. If the load is legal, but inconvenient for the driver, I will fight to get him enough money to compensate him for the added aggravation. If he decides the load is not as advertised, and makes no effort to fix it, I am expected to give him two weeks of my income? You realize we only get paid if we move a load right? So if the driver shows up and leaves, I get nothing. There is no equivalent of a load booked, not picked up for us.
     
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