To Mahle or not to Mahle

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Lockport, Feb 1, 2020.

  1. Lockport

    Lockport Light Load Member

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    I've an MBE 460 LA dated 05. It's a troublesome bit of work that's already undergone a lot of work. It was striped down (monkey garage) and had two new sleeves, pistons sandblasted, new mains, new upgraded heads, new EGR, new injectors, new turbo and exhaust brake, and just recently it burnt a hole in #1 cylinder. The shop recomended a $25,000 rebuild. $15,000US for parts. I opted for Cylinder #1 piston, rod, injector and head for $10,000US. I need this truck to last a few years but it's preventing me from sleeping at night and I cannot afford another week in a hotel away from home being it fixed at today's inflated rates. $150/h US is $196/h CA. I can get Monkey Garage rates for $90/CA.
    I was thinking of investing $3,700US in a Mahle rebuild kit vs being my guys to spend 40h rebuilding it. That means for $10,000CA vs $35,000CA for Detroit certified parts and North American wide warranty, can rebuild it with the Mahle kit. Is this kit comparable to Detroit's? Is this a sound idea? The truck has 1.45 million miles on it.
     
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  3. Rideandrepair

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    Mahle makes the original Detroit oem pistons. So yes it’s a great kit, made by a great company. They’re piston technology is probably the best you will find.They also own Clevite bearings, another Company that makes the majority of oem bearings, for 100 yrs. They also just purchased another automotive parts supplier, Baer? I think? Don’t take my word for it, google Mahle aftermarket. I opted for a FP ( Federal Mogul) Kit.Another good OEM supplier, that’s been around for over 100 yrs. It was cheaper,and a very good kit, but Mahle claims to have the edge on the piston cooling design. They were my preferred choice. Bring it to Detroit , my mechanic will fix you up good. Just had my 12.7 done for $3500 US Labor. Local vendor carry’s Mahle kits, direct shipped within a week to the shop.Those big shops aren’t what they claim to be, definitely not worth the cost. Count on 3 weeks downtime max. Probably less. You supply parts. Much better OH than the Dealer. If you’re taking the head off, might as well spend a few thousand more, do it all. Don’t waste your time, or money with the arrogant Know it all Dealers, They’re full of BS, all they’re good at is jacking up the total amount of the bill.
     
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  4. Lockport

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    Thanks for the response. I did read exactly that somewhere. That between the Mahle kit, FP and on other, the Mahle kit was the best choice, though slightly more expensive. I also read that likely the Detroit branded kit is just a Mahle kit in a different box. I've got a lot of catching up to do. Repairs in the last 6 months have spiraled out of control. I'm having to sell my compact tractor to catch up on some of the debt and payoff repairs I've opted to have the carrier pay up front as well (bad habit). Once I'm rolling along again I think I'll buy the kit, then pick a downtime window and get my guys on it. The owner of the shop I deal with said they could do it in 40 hours. It's the Mercedes engine. 6 heads. They all new, too. And the upgraded version.
     
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  5. Rideandrepair

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    I would honestly rather have tha Mahle Kit, over a Detroit Kit. The head is a different case. OEM only. Or a reputable A/M. The standards are questionable, from what Ive been told. Detroit studies engines that have been Overhauled. When you buy an oem Kit, pistons have a core charge, for r&d purposes. They study the competition, along with their own. I’ve been told by an Engineer at Detroit, a lot of problems have been seen with aftermarket heads, mainly being milled to much, causing the cam gear to mesh too tightly with timing gears. I went with a Detroit reman Head, for that reason. Shop around a little, you may be surprised at how much $$ you can save. It all adds up in the end. Worth the effort to be in control of the build, instead of another Dealership Victim.
     
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    I haven’t seen it personally, but have been told the OEM pistons actually have Mahle printed on them. Also was told by one supplier, that OEM kits have Chinese liners. He may have been selling Me on Mahle, I don’t really know. But I would not be surprised. Cummins OEM, is full of Chinese parts.
     
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  7. Lockport

    Lockport Light Load Member

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    That being said and in any event, the Chinese are getting better everyday.
     
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    You better have your shop check the block deck. Fretting of the deck was a huge problem for these engines. I used to work on them a lot. I turned away more head gasket replacement jobs than I can remember because of this issue Please have them check it well.
     
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  9. Shawn2130

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    We have installed a Mahle engine kit in a 1987 Pete with 3406B Cat a few years ago. Engine still working good.

    We are in the process of installing a Mahle kit into a 2005 freightliner ACERT C15.

    The mahle kits are far cheaper than Cat.
     
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  10. Lockport

    Lockport Light Load Member

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    That's interesting because all the heads were replaced with an updated design and all new about 2yrs ago and already I've seen coolant leaks at the head gaskets. What's the resolve for that?
     
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    Lockport: I think there are posts mentioning the mechanics putting some kind of sealer around the coolant passages along with the upgraded heads and gaskets.

    We have a dump truck with a 6 head Mercedes and it does use a little coolant too. We haven’t opened it up yet but I’ve not long ago started to do some looking into research for that as well.
     
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