The future of Delete Kits

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by Sarabeara, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. Sarabeara

    Sarabeara Medium Load Member

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    I was talking to a friend of mine who is a great mechanic for some time.
    He knew about the problems I had been having with my DEF system on my Peterbilt.
    I was thinking about performing a Delete kit and he advised me not to as he had heard that
    in a fairly short time from now that Alberta will not "pass" commercial vehicles that have had this done.
    This will force people who have paid anywhere between 10-15k to have it taken off, put it back on for another 10k.

    I asked him about Glider kits, and he wasn't sure where they stood.
    Have any of you heard anything about this in Alberta? If you've actually done a delete, would you end up paying the
    10k to put it back on?

    I appreciate your input.
     
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  3. BoomTruckin

    BoomTruckin Light Load Member

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    I doubt it. Probably just rumours among mechanics. There's bigger air polluters in this province than on highway engines and they are the target for many environmentalist's.
     
  4. Sarabeara

    Sarabeara Medium Load Member

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    It seems easy to hit truck drivers though....its like we're easy prey! Maybe I'm just gullible! Or Paranoid. Have you done a delete by chance?
     
  5. rzl-dzl

    rzl-dzl Medium Load Member

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    ya i wonder if theyll ever go after the big yellow haul trucks, emissions wise, lol
     
  6. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    It is more than rumour.

     
  7. Sarabeara

    Sarabeara Medium Load Member

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    That's a great article. I appreciate you putting that out. I wonder how many of those drivers will pay the money to put their equipment back on. I have a friend who has done almost $20,000 worth of work to his new unit including the delete kit which replaced the turbo, and the cams. A lot of hardware replacement.
    Ultimately, you either got to decide to do it or not. I think I'd try to work it out, especially reading what you've sent me, and hope my days working outweigh my downtime. What a gamble.
     
  8. marek4792

    marek4792 Light Load Member

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    Just something to think about, would they want a remote road 100's of miles from anything clog up with trucks (and very unhappy and freezing drivers) whose after treatment system took a dump because it's conditions weren't being met or perhaps even damaged?
     
  9. Runawayscreaming

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    The word I have is that regulatory penalties in Alberta will be directed towards delete kit providors first and then towards the owners of the trucks with the deletes, in much the same way enforcement is being applied in other jurisdictions. In Alberta this has already had the effect of discouraging delete providors. That being said, a delete can be done in such a way that the delete will only be detected through the ECM and not through a routine CVIP inspection that does not involve data obtained from the ECM.

    If your shop is aware of a delete done elsewhere (from previous experience with the ECM or from obvious physical alterations) they may refuse to do a CVIP, for fear of penalties (including loss of certification) from the Government of Alberta. There are shops in Alberta refusing trucks just for that reason.

    In my experience the Cummins ISX 15 is an ongoing nightmare. The DPF system is disastrously engineered. The catalytic reduction and particulate filter systems fail very rapidly, especially if the motor is idled (DPF system cannot reach optimum operating temperature while idling, etc). To prevent expensive and inconvenient deratings an agressive (and expensive) program of prophylactic maintenance must be applied to the ISX 15, especially when it is operated in a temperate climate (like Canada, for instance). Increased maintenance on the ISX 15 makes it an expensive motor to operate but perhaps less expensive than a delete.
     
  10. Prairie Boy

    Prairie Boy Road Train Member

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    Certainly a rumour only. Driver and owner ops are a lot easier to charge. How many of them can afford a lawyer to defend them while shops have the bucks. (You paid them, remember).
     
  11. Runawayscreaming

    Runawayscreaming Medium Load Member

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    Indeed. Alberta has had essentially no emissions standards in the past. Alberta law on DPF systems is so vague it is practically unenforceable. Truck owners are really left guessing until the Government of Alberta takes a less ambiguous position. It's typical Alberta anarchy and Alberta government inspectors (including scalemasters) will probably be required (by default) to make up an enforcement regime by the seat of their pants with no direction from the legislature.
     
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