Teams Sleeper Berth Rules

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by AZSunshine, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. AZSunshine

    AZSunshine Bobtail Member

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    Here's the scenario: My husband and I are team drivers. I pulled into a truck stop on the 28th of June at about 1700, we couldn't deliver our load until 0900 on the 29th and I stopped about 100 miles from the consignee (last known truck stop). My husband started driving the next morning about 0630 and about an hour into his drive I got up to sit in the jump seat to read for awhile. A few minutes later we had to enter a weigh station in Mississippi. There were several DOT patrol cars in the station and we were waved into the parking area. When the officer came over to our truck he asked if I was a co-driver and my husband said yes. He then said that he needed to see my logs. I was still logged into the sleeper berth from when I had stopped the day before. The officer then told me that I was in violation because I wasn't in the sleeper berth. I explained that I just sat in the passenger seat to read. He said that I can't be in the passenger seat and logged into the sleeper berth that I have to put myself on line 4. I told him very politely "sir, I'm not working, I'm reading". He said that if I'm in the passenger seat I'm working and I should have put myself on line 4. He didn't write me a violation (nice of him, I guess). However he did continue with a level 1 on the truck, which we passed with no problem. The funny thing was he never even asked for my husbands logs and he was driving. Makes me think that the only reason we were pulled in was because he saw me in the passenger seat.

    My questions are: How is sitting in the passenger seat with my feet propped up, reading actually working? Is he right about this? How am I supposed to draw a line and figure out where I made this change of duty status when the truck is rolling or bouncing as the case may be (which is why I left the sleeper berth to begin with)?

    Maybe, I could understand if he had said I should be on line 1 and actually when I start my log to drive I usually show 8-10 hours in the sleeper and then go to line one for any additional hours that have incurred while my husband was "on-duty". However, I have never tried to update my log while the truck is rolling and didn't know that I was required to. I have tried to find anything in the regs that say sitting in the passenger seat is considered working. If this is true then I'm in violation all the time because I sit in the passenger seat when we are parked to read or use the laptop.

    Hope someone can help clarify this for me. Thanks
     
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  3. Native Dancer

    Native Dancer Heavy Load Member

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    It is a technicallity that is often overlooked but legally you have to be in the sleeper to log sleeper berth time.
     
  4. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    Good luck with that. :biggrin_25523:



    The officer was right, and yes, you were fortunate to have not gotten a violation. Welcome to the screwed-up world of trucking regulations.
     
  5. Pawnd

    Pawnd Medium Load Member

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    The rule is because of trainers. Technically working then logging not working. Always climb into the sleeper before a coop. If you are in the sleeper technically they can not bring you out to check your logs either. Would force you to go on duty. Always take your logs into the sleeper with you.
     
  6. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    The DOT guy is 100% right; "On-duty" does not nessesarily mean you are "working" per se.

    i do teams(unfortunately) often and this is a big thing(among other things) with me.

    Will get into detail later. Busy now.
     
  7. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    :biggrin_25510:Yes, if you are in the jump seat, legally, you need to be on line 4......
     
  8. outerspacehillbilly

    outerspacehillbilly "Instigator of the Legend"

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    Line 4 it is if in the jumpseat, although it's a BS technicality it's still true. Lucky you didn't get a ticket. A guy I work with runs team with his wife similar thing happened to them and the officer actually watched her come out of the sleeper from where he was sitting off the road then pulled them over. Asked for both log books told her to catch her's up since she was out of the sleeper then wrote her a $400 falsification of log book ticket. :biggrin_2554:This was in Colorado.
     
  9. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Easiest way to think of this is:

    If behind the curtains, it is the sleeper area. If in front of the curtain, it is the driving compartment.

    Driving compartment always means either driving or on duty.
     
  10. steelerfan67

    steelerfan67 Light Load Member

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    My husband and I have ran team for years and anytime one of sat up front and we came up to a scale we would jump in the back because of that. It is messed up but it does not matter if you in your PJ's, if your up in the jump seat, your suppose to be on line 4. I really do not know of any team that does that other than a trainer/trainee.
    Your correct take your log in the back they cannot check it if your in the sleeper.
     
  11. misterG

    misterG Road Train Member

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    Or take the easy way out and when they ask if a co-driver (husband-wife teams) say no, just along for the ride.
     
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