Tax structure for owner-S corp, LLC Or?

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  1. CruzControhl2

    CruzControhl2 Light Load Member

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    Wanting to setup everything up to buy a truck but not sure about tax structure. Not sure if I should be an S-Corp an pay myself and be an employee or straight LLC and just pay myself/self employed. I'm from Ohio if it helps.
     
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  3. Mattflat362

    Mattflat362 Road Train Member

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    A sole proprietor LLC served me just fine. Many here will remind you it does not really protect you...but it got the job done just fine for me.

    I never assumed I would be protected NO MATTER WHAT if I really screwed up and drove drunk and killed people or any other similar scenario.
     
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  4. Opendeckin

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    Filing the LLC as an S Corp makes sense if you net around 70k taxable income IIRC. What it does is save you the self employment tax on everything you take as a distribution above a reasonable salary. The downside of it is that it costs an extra 2 grand a year or so in CPA fees because now you have to file a corporate tax return.

    Eg. 70k taxable income with S Corp filing
    40k reasonable salary subject to self employment tax

    30k distribution not subject to 15% SE tax
    .15 * 30,000 = $4,500 of annual savings

    which is above and beyond the extra 2k a year it costs in CPA fees and therefore worth it. The more taxable income you make the better a deal it becomes. If you netted 140k for example it would save you 15k annually less the 2k cpa costs so 13k of tax savings total.

    The downside of this strategy is lowered social security benefits so make sure your funding a healthy retirement account.
     
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  6. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Best answer - we do exactly the same, as net is always above the $70k mark.

    Figure your net the best you can and proceed accordingly.

    And yes, we pay $1500-$2000 for a CPA to settle end of year. It's above our pay grade, and includes full audit coverage - i.e. - they take the trip to Jefferson City,MO to present if the need arises.
     
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  7. CruzControhl2

    CruzControhl2 Light Load Member

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    So how is per diem handled as a s corp, can you pay/tax exempt yourself the employee the full allowable amount? Also when you do does the business write it off as a expense. I take it the business is always writing off the full allowed amount and giving the employee what it sees fit?
     
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  8. CruzControhl2

    CruzControhl2 Light Load Member

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    Wow I take it that's something I should look for in a good CPA is audit protection. The guy I talked to today wanted $450 a quater...guess that isn't bad.
     
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  9. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    A little rich, but not out of the realm. Depends what he offers.

    My good bride does the quarterlies , Fed/State - unemployment (sigh) - SS etc - monthly filings.

    I take care of basic receipt accounting - Profit Guages is what I use - $19/month.

    CPA does all the end of year and audit responsibility.

    We're in MO.

    We may not be like all folks - but the taxes are sorted on the dot, and filed ASAP first of year. Tax savings account of 15% so that if there's a bill, it's paid immediately. There's $20k in that account right now just in case. Anything left gets rolled over to pay for the next years retirement accounts payments - not a downpayment on a yacht.

    We like things black and white, on time, so the IRS is the least of our worries.
     
  10. bad-luck

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    Contact an accountant, he will tell you what is best.
     
  11. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Like @bad-luck said -

    But find a CPA in your area that knows trucking. I mean - first question "Do you have truckers on your books?"

    I like to have one close enough I can go punch in the face for less than a tank of gas - not someone 7 states over.

    There's a huge discussion to take place that depends solely on your circumstance and future plans, the pros and cons, and that's best held with a CPA that knows their sheets on the bed.

    The best spent $ is in advance, for good advice. Not what cousin Zach told you at Applebees. Trucking is so diverse and individuals are in such an array of circumstance, that it is never a "one size fits all " answer.
     
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