Super Singles and Heavy Haul

Discussion in 'Heavy Haul Trucking Forum' started by UltraZero, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. UltraZero

    UltraZero Medium Load Member

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    Hi folks. I've been running Super Single tires on tactors with Dry van trailers. I have wondered if anyone is running super singles in Heavy Haul??

    Are there any SS tires that can take the wieght

    Thanks:biggrin_25517:
     
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  3. mattbnr

    mattbnr Road Train Member

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    Look up on the websites. Michelin make probably the best super singles on the market. Check the weight ratings.
     
  4. UltraZero

    UltraZero Medium Load Member

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    I agree. I am running them all around.
     
  5. swfla

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    How do u like them and what kind of weight do u carry?
     
  6. UltraZero

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    Well, many say they have less traction then doubles.

    I feel they don't. actually if you look at the tire as a whole, there is more surface area to contact the road. They seem pretty good in heavy rain up to lite snow.

    After that, I pull off the road. Even if I had doubles, I would get off the road.

    No tire works in ice IMO. Chains work just as well.

    Some years ago, I put about 300K + on a set of drives. I Drove team, Dry van freight cross country all the time. They are simple to take care of. Just maintain the air pressure. I have been playing with pressure and wear patterns. 120 to 130 seems to work really well.

    Typically I'm loaded around 40K loads. I've had a tanker all the last part of the year and I was always 40K+. I've got about 100k on these so far. I do notice tight turns can tear them up so I try not to make these type of turns.
     
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  7. Heavy Hammer

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    And herein lies the crux of the problem...surface area does not dictate traction, in fact it is very much the inverse. The larger surface area does not allow the tire to "penetrate" a loose, slippery, sloppy surface to allow for the traction to take place.
    There is also the issue of tire issues...in HH you will have issues, if you haven't yet, you lack enough experience, period, point blank! When a SS goes flat your screwed, with no redundancy to get yourself out of or off of a narrow road to someplace safe to fix, or wait for help/service to fix the problem.

    If its ugly you have no choice to get off the road. However in HH your no longer a pavement princess...we go into $h1t hole ugly nasty places, that's where the big stuff resides...so your back to the above need to penetrate the slime to achieve the necessary traction to get into and out of the job site...fact of HH life.

    This is just not correct. Some work better than others, and any quality tread pattern dual drives will tremendously outperform ANY SuperSingle. We don't chain up on ice roads...we chain up when the coeficcient of the drag will be higher than the traction...fancy talk for more often than you think. I regularly chain up to get out of some truck stops in the morning.

    Understand that I'm talking about Heavy Haul...as in multi jointed, multiple component trailers...jeeps, boosters, dollies, etc. not straight trailer overloads.
    Real HH or dedicated large oversize operators have to think though possible scenarios most drivers never even stopped to consider, which is why SS are not a viable option...redundancy to get yourself out of harms way when things go downhill is a very real fact of our lives.
     
  8. Cetane+

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    A few states will not permit SS, they must be duals.
     
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  9. Heavy Hammer

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    The reason they don't allow them is because they realize that some of the steering wheel holders can't figure out the redundancy thingy, so they do it for them
     
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  10. leftlanetruckin

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    Think someones (lack of) experience is showing itself.
    One of our less smart (OK, he was a #######) O/O's got them fitted to his truck. Blew one on the side of the road in ND (IIRC). Had to wait a day and a half for a tire to turn up, then he could proceed. Oversize and overweight of course, parked on a ramp for the night. Did I mention he was a #######? All of that for a POSSIBLE small gain in MPG. Stupid is the most polite way I can put it.
    So no, us folks that haul a little heavy and have a brain, would never fit them in place of a good set of duals. Mind, this is why we also dont go rushing out to buy the latest and greatest plastic truck that gets that extra .075mpg neither, or get the latest low rolling resistance tires, and so on. We run the gnarliest tread tires we can find, that are still bearable at 70mph on the highway. Buy the toughest truck we can justify, with as little plastic and aero junk as possible, to save us having to get pulled out of muddy holes and then go back and pick up the aforementioned plastic out of a field, and so on....

    Martin
     
  11. Heavy Hammer

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    Have we been stuck on the same mine road together sometime ago? Your speaking my language man!
     
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