Starting a Trucking Fleet

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Midnight_tim, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Midnight_tim

    Midnight_tim Light Load Member

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    I was hoping to reach out and get some expert opinions / advice. I'm not looking for any "Oh you will surely fail" or "It's a hard industry, etc" I've been in trucking for over a decade as a Fleet Manager (fancy title for baby sitter) and I've never had trouble keeping the companies I've worked for in the green. There's some bad months but the good months offset them usually.

    Now I've read Dune-T's post with the numbers and as expected the numbers I've ran and been running are fairly close, which is good.

    I have about $250,000 to startup right now but I haven't made any purchases yet. This is startup capital that I do have to pay back within 7 years. It's about 3k that comes right off the top every month

    I can buy 1 NEW 2019 truck and 1 New Trailer with this and then allocate the rest for the first year of expenses (not including salary and driver salary).
    Looking at the numbers I hit some cash flow issues throughout the year but at the end of the year I'm up, not by a whole lot. 4% margin for the whole year. I've also factored in repairs that I shouldn't see in the first year but I am planning on anything happening.

    Alternatively,
    I could buy 2 used trucks and 2 new/used trailers with this and allocate the rest for the first year of expenses. Not including salary.
    Looking at these numbers (assuming 80k per truck, which might be understating right now) I don't have a single cash flow issue (assuming I can run each truck for 1200 a day. Trying to be optimistic.) but there comes a bigger risk of dealing with a truck with up to 500k miles on it and in my experience they hit the shop up every week for something or another. I won't have access to a onsite repair shop like I have so the repair cost will be a lot higher than I'd see if I was able to repair on site This is less attractive to me right now but it would generate a lot more revenue for me and increase my margin significantly.

    So, when it comes to buying used trucks is it really just luck of the draw on getting decent used equipment or does anyone have any personal insight on what equipment holds up to the test of time better? What should I look out for?? I'm mostly only familiar with Freightliner.

    I have a good driver following that would probably come work for me, and they have taken care of my employers equipment better than I'd ever expect anyone too.
     
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  3. Ridgeline

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    I won't mince words here, but if you were/are a fleet manager, then you already did a risk analysis on both your options and know which way to go.

    If you are sitting at 4% margin, you need to take a serious look at your policies and performance for this past year and take the fleet ownership off the table until you get it above 8%.

    By the way I am a fleet owner and I buy distressed fleets where owners thought they could make big bucks so I read and been told many many stories that never ever hit a forum and/or common knowledge among truckers.
     
  4. Midnight_tim

    Midnight_tim Light Load Member

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    You're right, I do know which way would be best long term but I was more or less just reaching out for other opinions. I try not to go into things thinking I know everything and I'm always open to other opinions.

    Yea. I should have stated that 4% is literally the worst things happening every month. Sorry for leaving that out.

    Running 2 used trucks using the same estimations per truck but with a higher revenue brings it up to 24%. So it gets better going that route but with the risk of break downs and total equipment failure looming, but some could argue the same could happen with a new truck,.

    I'd be interested in hearing any stories you have about a failed/distressed fleet owner. I'm basically planning on going for running someone else fleet to my own fleet so I'd mostly just be cutting them out and losing their resources (and lanes) and having to work my way up to that level.
     
  5. Kshaw0960

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    Hardest part for us is finding drivers. The trucks is the easy part. I would buy slightly used trailers and a little more used trucks. Main reason I wouldn’t buy new is because you have to pay sales tax but if it’s apportioned plates and used, no sales tax. Also your insurance will be lower with older equipment.

    I would buy 3 trailers ($15-20k each is a nice used dry van) and 2 trucks (cascadia detroits) around 2015-2016 with dpf delete around 300k miles.

    If you know a good shop and you have cash I would hit up an auction and buy 4 ex Walmart trucks for $25-30k and get them checked out.
     
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  6. Midnight_tim

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    Thank you for the reply! If I went used; I'm hoping I'd be able to recruit 1 or 2 of the drivers I've been running for greater portion of 10 years, esp since they're the ones who've put the bug in my head that I should run my own fleet. If not, I'm just hoping I can find 2 decent blokes with at least 2 years otr. The used equipment I was looking at was 2 2016 Freightliner Cascadia. I'm weighing the difference between the normal manual transmission versus the DT12 which I hear there's a ton of fuel savings going with a DT12 but I've personally never dealt with one, so everything I know about it is anecdotal at best. Most have closer to 400k on it though. I thought DPF delete was illegal, or are you referring to something else?
     
  7. Kshaw0960

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    It is but still worth it. As far as auto or not it doesn’t matter unless you plan on keeping the trucks long enough to where you need to rebuild the trans. Autos are ridiculously expensive. But if you only plan to run the truck for a few years auto is fine. Though most drivers prefer standards.
     
  8. AVL

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    What do you mean by 4% margin by the whole year?
     
  9. Midwest Trucker

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    If you want to start a fleet then 1 truck and trailer isnt an option. You need to start with atleast two trucks and trailers and be looking to expand to 3 once you get a year under your belt. I normally wouldn’t suggest growth that fast but if you’ve been a fleet manager and want to make a go over owning a fleet and paying that money back then that’s what it’ll take. Obviously you’ll want to get your own authority. No other option on that. I’d recommend NOT factoring as well.

    I wouldn’t count on 1200/day btw. Maybe when the truck has a driver and is out working, but your going to have unexpected down time that will lower your yearly numbers.

    PM me if your interested in any T680’s. I have a couple 14’s with under 425k that I’ll be selling as new ones come. 1 has overhaul.
     
  10. Ridgeline

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    got it.

    Ok here is the thing that really gets me, I have both new and used trucks in the fleet, many of the used trucks are now closing in on a million miles, they are not the crap boxes that everyone seems to make them out to be, too many assumptions about why the megas dump their trucks at 500k, it isn't about the problems they have, as you would already know.

    But here is the thing, New, used, rainbows - your risks are to be mitigated through the buying process, due diligence is needed to reduce the risk on selecting a used truck, even a slightly used truck. New trucks can be complete nightmares, not even close that many used trucks could be.

    What I do is track costs across the fleet. When there are increases of costs with maintainance, the truck is flagged to watch and then if the numbers meet the threashold, the truck is pulled and replaced.
     
  11. Espressolane

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    Your starting this business with debt, and your first year projection is breakeven. What do the 3 and 5 year outlooks have?

    Not being a naysayer, but you are very much under capitalized.

    Just a napkin numbers run, it will take you a minimum of 3 years to build up the capital for adding a second truck. More like 5 is my guess. Acquisition cost will be the decider.
     
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