Specs for used truck - flatbed and best MPG.

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  1. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I know this has been covered a few times, and I've read a few battle threads here on engine/trans/rear ends, but I'd appreciate any input. I think buying the right truck to begin with is pretty important.

    So - I'm shopping for a truck for flatbed work. Running potentially 48 states, but more than likely a 1000 mile radius from Joplin, MO. Leasing to LS, so weights could be anywhere from 0-43,000 lbs, I guess. I'm looking at 2002-2004 (No California), pre-EGR, 22.5 LP tires, 13 speed, Freightliner Century or Columbia, Detroit Series 60, 12.7 or 14l.

    My biggest question is rear end ratio and trans. As a disclaimer, I'll say that I've heard enough of KR's show to get the general idea.

    I want to run about 58-63mph in direct, but have a single or double OD so I can run 68-75mph IF the time/load/rate justifies the drop in MPG.


    The ultimate goal is to maintain 7mpg and strive for 8 or better with modification, so that's the number 1 requirement. Price doesn't matter too much, I just don't want to buy a truck with the wrong rears or box and face the added expense of changing them out later on. Obviously with what I'm looking for I'm in the 10-15k range anyhow.

    What are your thoughts - what gearbox and rear end specs would you run to achieve the above and why.

    Thanks all!
     
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  3. TwinStickPeterbilt

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    12.7 S60 Detroit 18 speed and 2.64 or 3.36 rears and 1850 torque.
     
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  4. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Which gear is typically direct on an 18 speed - and can I achieve the 58-63 mph in direct with both the 2.64 and 3.36 rears?

    Would an 18 speed be overkill for general on road operation?
     
  5. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I'm going to pay bills and chop wood (drink beer) for a bit - but please keep the input/opinion coming.

    I'll check back later. Thank you!
     
  6. BAYOU

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    First thing 03-04 are EGR trucks and some 02s I seen with EGR they also made 12.7L EGR detroits.
    2nd thing don't listen to everything KR says to run direct you would have to run 273-255 rears and your not going to find a truck spec like that......

    If that's were your wanting to be I would look at old Schneider trucks most have direct drive 10speeds you could pull it and run a 13speed. 58mph is crazy I try and drive 65 if I drive slower I have to run 12th 11th would be to much at 58 id have to run 50mph in 11th
     
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  7. TwinStickPeterbilt

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    Top hole with the button back. Depends on how you like you RPMS. 18's are the best tranny next to a compound, and I promise those arnt in no shaker.
     
  8. SL3406

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    The direct ratio in a 18 is 16th gear. Which would be against the dash with the button forward.
     
  9. RedForeman

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    A pre-EGR 14L is a bit of a unicorn, so I've heard. That would make the 12.7 more plentiful and cheaper on parts for what you're after.

    I personally don't buy the spec for direct drive idea. I just don't believe the parasitic losses amount to that much when you're talking about a gear used mainly for low-load cruising. I'd just spec for top speed and downshift if I want to slow ride to save fuel. I also agree with Bayou - you will be hard pressed to find a spec like that in what you're shopping for. You can find fleet trucks with tall rear sets, but they'll probably have a 10-direct (think I saw some old Walmart trucks with 2.64 gears a while back). Or get the 13 and it will have 3.55 or lower rears. So you'll end up figuring the price of a transmission or rears, one or the other. I'd be inclined to buy one with the rears I want already then swap in the transmission I want, considering the transmission is likely to have been abused more (new drivers) than the rears.

    You might try using the Eaton road speed calculator to see some different scenarios. For example, you'd have to run a 2.85 ratio for 61.2 mph with a direct final drive. You're calculating for direct, so the available transmission doesn't matter. So take that to a 13 (0.73 overdrive final) with that same 1500 rpm and you're at 83.8 mph. That's a little fast, so back it down to 3.08 ratio and you're at 56.6 direct and 77.6 in 13th. Or maybe that fast doesn't matter since you'd be cruising at no load in that top gear, so stick with the 3.08 ratio to hit your target at 60. Either way, it's going to be an odd ratio that wasn't ordered often when those trucks were new.

    I don't know the sweet spot for a 12.7 since I only have owned 14L EGR equipped trucks. Maybe someone that has one will chime in. The ones I've had are happiest between 1400-1550 rpm. I used 1500 in the examples I did due to that.

    Now that I think of it, you might PM Cowpie1 and ask about his experience with specs like you're doing. He's got a glider, but has the power train you're looking for.
     
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  10. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Had to read that twice with coffee, but I understand. One of the confusing terms for me is "tall" - which would be 2.64, vs. "short" - 4.10 .

    A truck I'm looking at locally didn't have the ratio listed, and they emailed back and said it's a 3.98 - which I hadn't seen before, and I don't see in the Eaton calculator - (thanks for that link BTW). If they are correct then I'm figuring it'll be running 64 or so in top gear, and 52-54 in direct. I see your point on selecting the rears and being prepared to swap gearbox - it's got 950,000 on it now, and no idea how it's been treated.

    I'll go spy on Cowpie in a minute and see what he's got going on.
     
  11. Richter

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    18 is a 13 that you can split the lower gears. direct is 16th. Since your looking for a cheep truck and 18 will severely limit your options, Id say its over kill.

    why would you recommend the 3.36? Thats a bit faster then the Op is looking for. Id think a 3.55 would be better, but they are close enough, either would work.
     
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