Soooo. 14hp Kohler vs 13hp Honda Pony Motors. opinions??

Discussion in 'Heavy Haul Trucking Forum' started by UltraZero, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    As far as motors, go with Honda.
    More expensive to buy, less maintenance and actual lower final cost of ownership.
    Honda is much quieter than Kohler.
    I've had both pony and wet kit.
    Both have pros and cons.
    You need to evaluate that and see which is better for YOU.
     
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  3. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I vote wet kit also.

    We used to run pony motors. After a bunch of drivers running out of gas, engine not starting, dead batteries, and extra maintenance, we gave up on them. It's just much easier to flip a switch in the cab than to get out and hope the pony motor starts.

    It cost about the same money for either setup.
     
  4. 123456

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    Kohler is not near the engine honda is.
     
  5. x1Heavy

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    Im reluctant and go with Honda.

    However...

    I had two Kohlers one a 20 horse and the other a 18 horse. Neither of them quit. However the little 18 did smoke when the heads finally showed a leak enough to smoke at 5000 hours. The bill to fix that leak and compression issue was more than what the enitre mower was worth, it was cheaper to replace it with a nice bigger kohler mower than to try and pay the bill on rebuild. It's ridiculous.

    If I had any sort of choice it's briggs and stratton, it's what Im specifically trained on during voctech in high school. I rebuild them top to bottom and #### well if I say so. But they quit making briggs Im afraid.

    The next solution to a honda would be a generac engine.

    I rather power take off the big engine and spin a stator or whatever it is to generate what I need off it.
     
  6. UltraZero

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    Hmm. What about the mess of disconnecting the lines on the wet kit situation. The Pony motor never needs to be disconnected even if another truck hooks to the trailer.

    Re drivers destroying the motors, in this cast, there will only be 1 person running the motor, maintaining the motor and making sure the motor isn't running for any long periods of time.

    I have a briggs engine in my portable generator. I have don't really have starting issues, but, that's because it sits for years. Typically starts after 3 or 4th pull, but, not too much after that. I learned that when you are going to shut it off for long periods of time, it's best to turn off the fuel first, let the engine idle til it sounds like it's leaning out, then let it stall. No fuel is in the engine and no tear down of the carb to check the floats or check for varnish..
     
  7. Yves kanevil

    Yves kanevil Medium Load Member

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    Define mess of Two hyd lines going to the neck. Still sounds a lot easier than firing up a motor every time you wanna use the neck
     
  8. UltraZero

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    Every time you disconnect the trailer, you disconnect the Hydraulic lines. Fluid will leak when you disconnect. How ever small it is, it will. Over time, there will be oil all over the place. Pony motors don't get disconnected unless there is a problem because they are not tied to the truck.


    And regarding firing up the Pony motor vs PTO here is my response.

    Lets See. Walk over to motor, turn on choke, turn key to start, take choke off.

    Hmmm. That's pretty hard.

    Just as hard as flipping a switch to engage the PTO and hen Idle the truck up.

    In any event, you will end up standing in the same area as the pony motor to operate the controls to lower or raise the trailer. So, in the end, no extra steps are taken in both cases.

    Well, Unless you....
    For some reason keep running the pony motor and don't put fuel in it. (Pony)
    Forget to change spark plugs after some time. (Pony)
    Forget to keep oil in it. (Pony, or oil in the truck Lol)
    Forget to change oil after a while. (Pony and oil in the truck)
    Forget to check the level of the Hydraulic Fluid tank. (Pony or PTO)
    Forget to change the Hydraulic Oil Filter. (Pony or PTO)
    Forget to Inspect Hydraulic Lines and one or more leaks and you have no spare. (Pony or PTO)

    You know. Things like that fall under general Maint. that should be done every once in a while.

    Lol...
     
  9. UltraZero

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    I only made the statement regarding the oily mess because I worked with a few guys who had to disconnect their lines in order to pump off the tanker I pulled and every time they did it, the connections left an oily mess from disconnecting from their tank and hooking to mine and when the disconnected and returned to their truck, some fluid dripped from the connections. After doing this a few times, I could see how the trailers look so nasty due to the oil and road debris that connected in the oil. (Of course a shower for the truck once in a while would take care of this problem)
     
  10. Yves kanevil

    Yves kanevil Medium Load Member

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    I don't know what kind of ####ty hyd couplers your used to using but the butterfly coupler I use don't leak unless you use the wet line when couplers are loose they also do not teak when being disconnected because as you loosen the butterfly the interior spring stops oil from leaking. So far the only upside to a pup motor is that any truck can pin to the float were as with a wet line float you need trucks with wet line.
     
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  11. m16ty

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    About the only time I unhook my trailer is to grease the 5th wheel. You're right, it does leak a little every time you unhook but pony motors can get pretty nasty also once they get some age on them,
     
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