single axle tractor, tandem axle trailer... weights & loadboards

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  1. mugurpe

    mugurpe Medium Load Member

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    So I'm looking for a reality check on some details here folks, and thank you in advance for your responses.

    I've got a single axle daycab tractor that tares at 11K
    the "internet" suggests a 53' trailer tares at 15K
    so that would put the combo at 26K
    The axles would suggest 12+20+34 = 66K GCVW leaving me with 40Klbs of capacity, which would suggest I could run the standard 53' and 40K loads I see posted on loadboards. I'm not looking to run coast-to-coast, more regional day trips so I'm not looking for input about sleepers vs hotels.

    Is there a glaring issue with bidding on those? Can the tandems on the trailer adjust enough to scale most things given the tractor has a fixed 5th wheel? What am I missing?

    Thanks.
     
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  3. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    I think you will have a hard time balancing a 40k load on the trailer without overloading your 20k drive axle.

    My 53' flatbed puts around 6k of weight on the kingpin when empty.

    Let's guess your drive axle weighs around 5k empty and an empty trailer will add 6k to it. That only leaves 9k before you overload the drive axle.
     
  4. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    You have missed your steeraxle rating.
    You assume 12 000.
    What is the rating on the steers?
    What is the rating on the steeraxle itself?
    Same question for the drive.

    Trailer....spreadaxle .

    Did you check the rules for the states you are planning to run?

    Get back to us when you have all that info.
     
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  5. flyby1971

    flyby1971 Light Load Member

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    Your 40 K is assuming it is loaded just right.
     
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  6. mugurpe

    mugurpe Medium Load Member

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    I haven't scaled it with a 53 yet, just with our 28' dropframe van pup trailer so I've got axle weights on that. Mostly we do city-to-city household goods in a pup, but Im exploring my options for fattening up our off-season. Anyway, here's the axle weights at that config:

    6900lbs on the steer (out of 12,000)
    9120 on the drive (out of 20,000)
    8380 on the trailer axle (out of 20,000)

    the bobtail tractor tares at 11440
    7140 on the steers
    4300 on the drives
     
  7. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    The "heavy, full truck load" loads you'll have to pass on, but there are plenty of lighter loads under 30-35k. But you'll need to license (apportion) the truck for the full gross weight you choose to run at with your potential heavier backhauls
     
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  8. mnmover

    mnmover Road Train Member

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    Good Luck, perhaps you can connect with those loads, but after doing moving, you will be disappointed with the rates. A spread axle trailer would help, but pulling a spread with a single axle may cause handling problems as the trailer will want to steer the tractor and slippery roads could be a problem. Another solution might be to add a 3rd axle(liftable) on the trailer. It would cause the same handling effects as a spread. Another solution would be to stretch out you tractor frame and add the liftable pusher axle to the tractor. Choose wisely.
     
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  9. tony97905

    tony97905 Road Train Member

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    I run this combo almost daily (ltl) and you have to be very careful while loading not to overload the drive axle.
     
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  10. Al. Roper

    Al. Roper Road Train Member

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    Not sure about the van deal, but I know a couple guys that run a spread axle flat with a single axle sleeper truck. They mostly stay less than 30k. On their load weights. Just as an example.
     
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  11. ChaoSS

    ChaoSS Road Train Member

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    Even if you can make it work you have to deal with shippers who think they know how to load up a trailer because they are used to loading for a tandem set of drives. A 25k load might be shoved to the nose because the forklift guy has done this thousands of times and he knows how to load a trailer legally.
     
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