SDP failing injectors

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  1. tgknight666

    tgknight666 Bobtail Member

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    I have been changing injectors in 2 different sdp burner engines. One 600 with double dpf and the other 550 single. 600 is a local heavy tractor pulling lowbed and 550 is over the road big miles. These injectors run fine, most of the time, and pass every cut out test. Under long heavy pull engines start missing, i diagnose by cutting them out during miss condition. Always Cat oem filters. They dont seem to miss when burner is lit, huh? Any help would be great
     
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  3. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    Could be a fuel pressure problem, check that the correct check valve is fitted. These engines run slightly higher fuel pressure as they supply fuel to the ARD head.
     
  4. tgknight666

    tgknight666 Bobtail Member

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    I've shimmed the relief valve have about 125 psi. I have looked hard at fuel problem all 3 check valves are new and the latest part number ard heads are both burning hot and data log looks better than any I've seen on 550. After changing an injector problem goes away for several thousand miles
     
  5. Truck engine machinist

    Truck engine machinist Light Load Member

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    Check out my post on 8/9/13 [h=2]"Cat injector misfire under heavy load".[/h]It may be the answer to your problem
     
  6. tgknight666

    tgknight666 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks, but if the lower blue oring remains intact or carbon dam has built up I am not seeing air in the return line sight glass. Not sure if this wiuld
    help me
     
  7. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    No air in return line under load, when the problem exists?
     
  8. Truck engine machinist

    Truck engine machinist Light Load Member

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    If the seat is warped, it can cause the needle to stick when under heavy load & high heat. When you pull the injectors, are they blue at all at the bottom of the injector to like halfway up?
     
  9. tgknight666

    tgknight666 Bobtail Member

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    hard to watch sight glass doing 60 up hill, ha ha i will make a longer line and put it in cab. I need a dyno!! You sound like you have run into this problem before?
    Can you help with some more hp in mxs? since your name is morehp figured you could help
     
  10. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    I agree problems like that can be hard to troubleshoot. Dyno access would be ideal. Possibly extend your clear lines or sight glass and tie to the wipers so you can see it easier under full load.

    I will send you a pm regarding the mxs I'm sure I can help point you in the right direction.
     
  11. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    you need to check out that low pressure fuel system. you said you have changed all 3 check valves. any restriction on the suction side of the pump can cause air in your fuel from cavitation. If the fuel return line (to the tank) is blocked or restricted, very high fuel temperatures will be reached in the fuel manifold. Also if the fuel return line remains blocked to the tank, a build-up of air bubbles will occur in the fuel manifold. This trapped air will usually result in damaging injectors for cylinders 6, 5 and 4 (in that order) first. This is because trapped air in the fuel manifold occurs over these injectors first.
    also the other poster trying to help you may be correct. A loose or improperly seated Unit Injector can led to injector failure. This also causes O-ring seals to fail and combustion gases to leak into the fuel manifold (Air in Fuel), which may cause damage to injectors "downstream" (also performance complaints such as stumble or rough running under load) is there any particular order in which they fail? perservere you will get to the bottom of it!
     
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