Removing AC condenser?

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  1. NadeauTrucking

    NadeauTrucking Light Load Member

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    97 LTL 9000, CAT 3406c 13spd. Temps are starting to get warmer and im not liking my engine temps lately. it seems like anytime it gets into 70's or 80's here, it doesnt take long at all for my water temp to climb to 230. fan kicks on and does its job, but still it kicks on way more often than i think it should. im thinking about removing the ac condenser to allow more air to the radiator and intercooler. will this make much of a difference or should i be investigating further into this?
     
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  3. Kansas

    Kansas Road Train Member

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    No AC condenser no air conditioner = bad.

    How about pulling the radiator and CAC and cleaning them good.
    Changing the thermostat to a new one.
    Dump flush and replace the coolant.
    Straightening fins on radiator and CAC
    Upgrading to a bigger radiator.

    There is nothing wrong with the fan staying engaged all day and all night just as long as its keeping the temp pulled down.

    Lots of stuff I would try before giving up my air conditioner.
     
  4. NadeauTrucking

    NadeauTrucking Light Load Member

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    I haul crushed cars locally and ive never really had ac anyways, but the big issues with this type of industry is the dust and the condensers and everything else plugging up solid constantly. i know guys with newer petes that say they wont use their ac because it causes the condenser to plug up extremely fast.
     
  5. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    If you are happy to omit your a/c, it will definitely help increase air flow across the rad. There is still an underlying issue with the heat in the first place though. I am hoping it is just dirt plugging in the rad, and so once the condenser is removed you can get in there with pressure washer and clean it easier! If you do remove it, plug off your a/c lines and the ports in the condenser and save it just in case you change your mind or want to sell the truck later in time!
     
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  6. Crusty

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    Stop an any A/C guy and get him to sell you some foaming coil cleaner. You'll be amazed.
     
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  7. Crusty

    Crusty <b>Just Plain Crusty</b>

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    All of the others had good advice as well. One other thing. Make sure your bottom Rad. hose is either HD or has a spring in it to keep it from collapsing.
     
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  8. Gizmo_Man

    Gizmo_Man Road Train Member

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    From my wrenching days, I have to add that the water pump can be going bad. If the impeller is pitted or if any of the impeller blades are broken, or if any or all the impeller blades are corroded away, this will not allow the coolant to circulate. I thik that condition is called "cavitation", but I cannot swear to that.

    Another possibility is the mixture of the coolant. too much water is no good, as it will raise the temps.

    One more thing, has the radiator ever been swapped out?

    There is the slight possibility that if it ever was, it may be the incorrect size for the truck/engine combo.

    The a/c condenser should not be hindering the air flow to the radiator. In fact, should you have the a/c turned on and the temps rise, I would also check the fan thermostat as being defective, and allowing the fan not to come on at the appropriate temp.

    As the hot air from the a/c condenser flows thru the radiator, when the a/c is turned on, many over heating issues can develop. But just by the mere fact the truck is running, and the a/c is off, that in of itself, should not cause the temps to rise.

    If the a/c condenser is clogged up with road debris, yes, certainly that will cause for some over heating. but if you remove the a/c condenser, you open up direct radiator contact with that very same debris. Which in time, will cover up the fan thermostat, if you have the typical clutch fan.
     
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  9. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    I am dealing with the same issue. I have come to the conclusion, that my truck will not run as it did when I bought 12 years ago, no matter what I do. so I was trying to think outside the box. I may be worried over nothing, but my temp rises too fast & comes down too slow. as I have a thread about it here already. my question, was taking thermostats out. after new w.p. rad, dash gauge,both sensors & even inframe, still not to my satisfaction. but maybe I am just paranoid, after blowing a headgasket 8 years ago.

    anyway I just removed my a/c condenser yesterday. sat. mine did not work. what I did, was take a sawzall & cut the core just against the steel bracket & left the bracket bolted, so I sould keep the a/c lines connected. otherwise they would bounce all over. I cleaned the rad & air to air real good with a garden hose, did not have any coil cleaner & had no vehicle to get one at the time. going to try & see how it affects my temp come monday. good luck with yours.
     
  10. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    I hope you didn't just cut up a perfectly good condenser.:biggrin_25513: Would have been better to have unbolted it, disconnected the lines, plugged them off, and zip tied them to something. If you don't block off the lines, you'll be damaging other components in the system as dirt and other contaminants find their way into the lines. I would also remove the belt from the compressor to keep it from turning without refrigerant/oil keeping it lubricated, otherwise you'll have to replace that too if you ever decide to fix the AC. Hell, just remove the compressor, lines, brackets, and everything else AC related from under the hood, too...you'll knock about 40 pounds off your empty weight. Gives it a "clean" look without all of that clutter, too....makes it easier to work on, too.

    The longer you run the truck with the system opened up like that, the more expensive it'll be to "fix" if you ever decide to put the AC system back together, though, so be sure it is what you want to do before you do it.
     
  11. earthmover

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    might want to check the water pump ..my m11 impeller came off the shaft and i didnt know it til it started to run the temp up hight then normal...check stuff over and found nothing so i took the pump off and there the impeller was laying in the hole...also i noyice if i stay with in my range the temp dont go as high or up my not be a fast but works..and if i try and go faster and turn the truck more the temps go up..
     
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