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Reman Cummins N-14: Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by VisionLogistics, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. Oct 19, 2012 #1
    VisionLogistics

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    I am buying a "new" engine for one of my trucks. Actually a reman. Currently I have an ISX 475 EGR motor in it, but if I am going to spend $25k on a motor I want to get a non-egr one. I was thinking about an N-14 since it is pre-egr and being a cummins will not require quite as much labor for re-wiring it to my existing ISX layout.

    If the N-14 isn't a good choice, I was thinking about a Pre-EGR ISX.

    Any opinions on these two engines as far as fuel economy, reliability, pulling power, etc.?

    I considered a Series 60 Detroit, but the shop said the re-wiring is extensive and takes about $5k in labor, so that's a no-go.

    Thanks for your input.

    PS: I'm pretty sure I'd want the N-14 "Celect", yes? What's the difference?

    Edit: I see now that the Celect and Celect Plus are different fuel system designs as the engine developed through the generations.
     
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  3. Oct 19, 2012 #2
    SHC

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    I have no clue about CUmmins motors, but I'm very glad to see you are looking to go the NON-EGR route. I think you will greatly love the change.
     
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  4. Oct 19, 2012 #3
    blanco

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    We have 3 pre-EGR Cummins. 1 (mine) n14-370/430, 1 (m11), and a redtop 525hp N14. The cummins have been rock solid! Cheap to work on, anyone can work on them, cheap parts.

    Our EGR Detroits have also been rock solid, except for EGRs, vpods and expensive turbos. We replace these at our maintenance yard avoiding expensive roadside repairs. (learned the hard way)

    I would strongly recommend the reman cummins. Get it and it should come with some type of warranty.

    Mine is averaging 6.5 to 7.5mpg.
     
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  5. Oct 19, 2012 #4
    VisionLogistics

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    Thanks for that info! I am considering a reman redtop N14, but was worried about the fuel economy dropping drastically. It comes with a 3 year, 300,000 mile warranty.
     
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  7. Oct 19, 2012 #5
    Autocar

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    Contact Mawk Industries, mawkindustries.com , about a conversion harness. Top quality. The Celect was the first generation electronic and topped out at 500 hp. The Celect Plus (all Red Tops) was the second generation, topping out at 525 hp, from the factory.
    I'm dropping a '96 N14 Celect Plus 460 in my '84 Autocar. The conversion harness from Mawk was $875 and is one of the best quality products I have seen in many years.
     
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  8. Oct 19, 2012 #6
    Worthken

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    Get a STC410 N14 Cummins, CPL 14605, If turned out correctly it will pull with a Celect any day. In my opinion (If it counts).
     
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  9. Oct 19, 2012 #7
    Autocar

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    An STC is a mechanical. That would be even worse to convert to his electronic truck, than converting my mechanical truck to electronic. Besides, that would almost guarantee a reduction in fuel mileage.
     
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  10. Oct 19, 2012 #8
    Worthken

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    It's a much more reliable motor than an electronic N14. I agree with the fact that its difficult to convert an electronic truck to a mechanical, one. There's not much differance between a STC and Celect plus's Fuel consumption. Remember it's a Cummins. Not renowned for the best fuel consumption. If fuel consumption is an issue replace it with a Detroit. Even the old style Cats (3406A) gave better fuel milage than the Cummins motors.
     
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  11. Oct 19, 2012 #9
    whoopNride

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    Sorry, but i have to disagree with you.

    I had a 2000 FLD freightliner with a Red top Select+ 500hp. averaged 7.0 mpg.

    1,100,000 miles when i sold it in 2010. Now has 1,350,000 miles. No engine work whatsoever. Not even rods and mains. Runs everyday...

    Those engines are bulletproff.. And inexpensive if repairs are needed.
     
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  12. Oct 19, 2012 #10
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    Wise choice. That N14 is much better than anything produced in recent years.
     
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