Question: Air Brake System - Relay valve, and Spring brake valve (Balanced position)

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  1. John.doe0289

    John.doe0289 Bobtail Member

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    Here's a pic for reference:
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    Lets say the system builds air pressure to cut out. I push in the PP-1 valve. Air from the double check valve flows to the PP-1, then out to the SR-1. The air enters the SR-1 supply port, out the delivery port and flows to the R-14 relay valve service port. The signal air pressure at the service port depresses a piston in the R-14 and the R-14 opens a supply port. The open supply port allows air from the aforementioned double check valve line (emergency line) to flow into the spring brakes. Now they are released.

    My question is: Would both the SR-1 and R-14 be in a balanced position (hold) at this point? Would air pressure in both valves be equal above and below, neither inlet or exhaust open?
     
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  3. Deere hunter

    Deere hunter Road Train Member

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    Yes because there is no air regulator in place to restrict pressure!
     
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  4. John.doe0289

    John.doe0289 Bobtail Member

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    Where would an Air regulator be plumbed to and what is an Air regulator? I'm assuming it's to "regulate air". But why is it necessary?

    And how do spring brakes contain "hold off" air pressure? I assume it's through the balanced position of the valve. But... not sure.
     
  5. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    After a certain PSI the spring brakes are backed off. There is a supply tank on the trailer holding that in place. One must assume there is a certain rate of loss but insignificant when driving.

    And people think truckers are stupid. Thats not true.

    I think rather the engineers try to overdesign stuff today and it's biting us all in the butt.
     
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  6. Deere hunter

    Deere hunter Road Train Member

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    There’s a single chamber and a double chamber! Double chamber is your parking brake and service brake and single chamber is just a service brake. They have a rubber diaphragm in them that holds air! R14 is for your service brake R 1 is for your parking brake! Pp1 sends air to both valves R1 to release your brakes and R14 to have air on hand when you need to apply your foot valve!
     
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    Sorry have 1and 14 backwards on their function!
     
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  8. John.doe0289

    John.doe0289 Bobtail Member

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    Yeah, I understand that part. But what confuses me is how exactly the air stays in there once its sent by the PP valve to the Spring Brakes. Not sure what's keeping it there, I'm assuming constant air pressure from the PP valve once you push it in?

    Here's a R-12 Relay valve that is in the "off" position. No signal air pressure above it from the treadle valve.

    closed supply.png

    R-12 "on" position. Signal air pressure from treadle valve opens a supply port. Air flows from primary tank to supply port in the R-12 and out the delivery port to the Service Brake Chambers.

    open supply.png

    "Balanced" position. Air pressure equalizes above and below so no air is being sent to brakes, and no air is being exhausted at the exhaust port. So basically your holding the treadle valve at the same position. Brakes are being held.
    balanced position.png

    I'm thinking the same thing happens with the R-14 valve that operates the Spring Brakes in that diagram I uploaded. The push pull valve puts the relay valve in a balanced position and the Spring Brakes are released, and air is kept inside. Make sense? Maybe?
     
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  9. x1Heavy

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    Consider the emergency glad hand airline.

    Once your trailer break away from tractor disconnects that line on the way out, all the air goes bye bye slamming the spring brakes on. Makes sense?

    You dont want anything holding trailer air. If it broke away and the air is held somehow on trailer end, it wont know to slam on brakes.
     
  10. Deere hunter

    Deere hunter Road Train Member

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    Yes it’s a closed system once handle is pushed in so whatever your compressor is putting out will be whatever the pressure is in your valves!
    That’s why when you lose air pressure your PP valve will kick back out and lock up your brakes it’s for emergency situations when you have a huge loss of air and won’t have any break on your foot pedal!
     
  11. Deere hunter

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    That’s why you have a light or a buzzer or both on your dash when your air gets down to about 60 pounds it’s letting you know that it’s fixing to activate your emergency brakes!
     
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