Hi Everyone,
Obviously I am not a trucker and have a general question related to tanker trucking. I am hoping some can define what a "pump off" is and when it would be used? Specifically, is it required in every situation or there times when it is not requried (and what decides if it is not required).
Most of my trucking knowledge centers around refrigerated units and this concept is foreign to me. Thanks in advance!
Pump Off Fee
Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by columbia, Aug 24, 2012.
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Pump off would be when you use a pump. Many trailers have pumps on them. My tractor has both an air compressor and a pump on it powered by the engine. The air compressor allows you to pressurize the tank and blow/push the product where you want it. The pump pulls it from the tank and pushes it to its destination. You have to vent the tank before pumping out of it.
Some products you do not want to introduce air into the mix. Anything flammable we would pump off. Some thick products work better with a pump. Pumps are much more of a hassle. They have to be cleaned afterwards. -
I just noticed the title of your post. The fee would probably cover the drivers pay and use of the equipment to unload your product. Think lumper fee in refrigerated freight.
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Wsyrob,
Thank you for the response. The commodity I am inquiring about is Jet Fuel. Since it is obviously flammable, it looks like a pump fee would need to be assessed for every contracted haul with a carrier? The product would be picked up at a petroluem rack and delivered to an airport location. -
columbia Thanks this.
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Most carriers wouldn't charge extra for pumping a load off with the truck. Kinda the cost of being a bulk carrier. Any place that receives lots of loads into above ground tanks might want to invest in there own pump system. Makes everyones job easier !
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Our company charges the same no matter how we deliver the product. Its a time thing for us, unloading put to 1 hour is covered. Afte4r that it is charged out in 1/2 hour incraments based on 95.00 per hour.
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It could be refering to the fee paid to the driver for pumping a load off as well. I have run in to instances where a pumping fee was added, depending on the product, the pump has to be cleaned, for example if you hauled a load of heavy oil, or perhaps a load of asphalt, or coal tar, the pump has to be thoroughly cleaned before you would want to pump a load of clean oil, or jet fuel. Most of the jet fuel is unloaded with a customer pump, but there are occasions where you might have to pump a load up to a helipad. At any rate there is an extra expense involved in pumping in situations like this that does warrant an extra fee, all depending on the circumstances.
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Not being all that familiar with the beancounting end of the business, I'm only speculating here, but I would imagine the pump fee is assessed to help recoup the cost of running the pump (fuel+cleaning) and also the wear and tear on the hoses that would be used. Although there may be a seperate charge for hoses. The drivers pay is probably a factor as well.
If the unloading site was equipped with its own pump and hoses, I would assume the fee would not be charged. However I would think that very few, if any carriers would permit their driver(s) to operate a pump owned by a customer, which means that you would more than likely have to assign a person to the task of unloading the truck.
I'm sure there is some sort of witchcraft involving numbers that can determine at which point it becomes more cost effective to install your own pump and designate someone to unload trucks than pay whatever fee the carrier charges. -
I know that Chemicals gave (2) lenghts of discharge hose for free, charged for either the carrier's pump or compressed air [or dry bulk blower] when used for unloading and for loading. Stainless Steel pumps for food and pharma grade stuff cost more than iron pimps, etc. [they should a S/S pump is pricy!]
Customers sometimes will have that stuff built into the rate. Owner Operators used to gripe when the carrier took their % out of the pump fees
Old urban tankwash legend was that the EPA was going to 'require' every receiver to install their own pumps and hoses as they were going to ban carrying hoses and having product pumps by the year 2000...
Years ago guys getting cleaned at Roy Bros in Mass thought they were having their pumps cleaned when they were actually powering the tank wash spinner w/ their engine and PTO ansd still paying full price for a tank wash...
Get a 3" cone screen from Girard to protect your pump if you are ever loading from a rail car. I sucked a bolt up one time while loading at Conrail Flexi Flow, the screen would have caught it instead of the PTO shaft breaking.
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