Problem with electric brake trailer

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  1. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    I'm not very up to speed on electric brake trailers as I only have one. Here's my issue, 3 years ago I purchased a Kaufman 10 ton electric brake equipment trailer so I could pull it with the heavy and light duty trucks. This last week I noticed the trailer wasn't breaking well and did some investigating. I found out only one axle was breaking good. The brakes are supposed to be self adjusting and found them to be out of adjustment so I adjusted them. Still not working except one axle. I then tested to make sure each brake had a ground and power when the brake controler was sending a signal to activate the brakes and all tested good. Is it possible the brakes need to be replaced already? I can see the shoes have a lot of meat on them still. I've played with them many years ago and know they use an electromagnet to actuate the brakes. In the 3 years I've owned this trailer it's probably only has 10k miles on it. It goes out regularly but only for short local runs. It has lippert axles on it which are a copy of a dexter axle in 10000 pound rating. The whole brake assemblies only cost $100 or so per axle. I just can't believe they're not working properly already. They have to last longer than that. Anyone know these electric brakes well that can point me in the right direction?
     
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  3. AModelCat

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    I've dealt with quite a few electric trailer brakes.

    How are you testing them? The drums need to be on in order for the magnets to have something to pull against. They also need to be spun 1/4 turn sometimes to get the magnet to latch on.

    Rust in the drums can sometimes cause issues with the brakes as well.

    If the magnets are worn out, they could have worn through the windings, causing an open in the circuit. You will still see power to the magnet and ground after the magnet though. Best bet is to get an inductive amp clamp (as a standard digital multimeter can only read 10 amps or less, not sure how much amp draw 10k lb brakes have). Then check your amp draw at the faulty wheels. If you have no amp draw but you have verified the power and ground are good, magnets are likely toast. Based on the quality of trailer wiring I've seen on RVs, cargo trailers and utility trailers, I'd re-verify that you have power and ground. Most manufacturers do a complete hack job on the wiring at best.
     
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  4. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    I have spun the wheels to get them to actuate. That I did figure out already. The wiring was pretty shotty on the trailer when I purchased it and I did solder everything and shrink wrap it. I'm pretty sure it's not a wiring problem but I'm going to crawl under it today with a battery and see if I can directly charge each brake to see if I get it to work. If that doesn't work it's obviously an internal issue. Looks like the brake wires coming out of the backing plates are the same color so my guess is it doesn't matter which one is positive or negative?
     
  5. AModelCat

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    I wouldn't think it would matter the polarity of the magnet. I would hook it up the same way as its on there now though.
     
  6. Heavyd

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    Not real familiar with them, but I have worked on few. Some types seem really simple, others seem overly complicated for what they have to do. But every time they are always simply dirty, rusted and partially seized and that is why they don't work. Like you said, the shoes don't really wear down. Make sure every pivot or sliding location is free of rust and scale and everything moves nice.
     
  7. giannid

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    I just went out and cut the wires to the axles and directly charged them with a battery and still nothing. Obviously the magnets/components are bad. To be to the brakes, I have to take the hub off and drain the oil to get to the brakes. Kind of a stupid design. I'll probably just buy the whole loaded backing plates instead of replacing the magnets since I have to go all the trouble and replace the oil seals. It just amazes me how these things are junk with so little use. I've go a tag air brake trailer that I've had for 15 years and I've never touched the brakes other than adjusting the slack adjusters. Nothing lasts like it used to, that's for sure.
     
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    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Some things simply need to be used more often to last longer. I know this sounds weird, but it is true. I think taking it all apart and replacing everything is a good idea. Like you said, it has to come apart anyway. This might be one of those trailers you just have to take out for a run once in awhile even if you aren't using it just keep everything working and freed up.
     
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  9. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    Truth is heavyd, that's exactly what I did with that trailer. I made sure it went out on regular basis. And it still failed. Has to be junk parts. China I'm sure, LOL
     
  10. kwswan

    kwswan Road Train Member

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    They're electric brakes,you can throw money at them all day long & they will still be junk.
    If you are going to keep the trailer, bite the bullet and spend the money to change it over to electric over hydraulic brakes. Been there, done that, a whole lot better & less headaches.
     
  11. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    Can you even convert something that big to hydraulic? It's a 10 ton trailer with 2 10k axles. Have seen them on the smaller trailers but nothing big. Maybe I can do one axle only. I think that's all you need to be legal. One axle that always works is better than 2 that sometimes work.
     
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