Essentially the situation I have is that the family is looking to relocate from Florida to Texas(heavy equipment repair shop, and household move). I'm 18 and I am currently in the works of getting a class A cdl. 2 years ago I drove down the F350 with a 40ft triple axle enclosed race car trailer overloaded roughly at 30k with the intentions of playing young and dumb if I got caught all the way from Tacoma, Washington to Tampa, Florida. I do not want to take the hefty risk of getting caught again. Not to mention not wanting to rebuild the rear end and rering the engine again in the poor truck. My father would be driving under his MC number and USDOT number which are authorized For Hire and Private Carrier Not For Hire.
The truck I would be driving would obviously be labeled "Private Carrier, Not For Hire" down the sides and it would either be a 96 Freightliner FLD 120 or a 94 GMC/White WCA64T. I know Interstate Commercial driving cannot be done if under the age of 21, however this would be hauling personal vehicles, machines, and other items that belong to my family and I. Everyone I seem to ask doesn't seem to have a clear answer. I've called the DOT offices in each state I would be driving through and they tell me to call Highway Patrol who tells me to call DOT who then tells me to call the FMCSA and I get a big circle of I don't know and I'm not sure. Does anybody have any information that they could enlighten me with in this odd scenario? I'm pretty sure I just haven't been talking to the right people. I wouldn't stretch my luck. If this is a state level issue I would be driving through Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas.
Private Carrier Not For Hire, under 21, Interstate. Can it be done?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by NotSoSimple, Jul 9, 2014.
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What is the weight of the items you will be driving and do they have air brakes?
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The truck would have air brakes. The enclosed trailer brakes are electric over hydraulic. It's a triple axle enclosed race car trailer with upgraded axles on load range g tires.I'd estimate I'd be running a full load including truck and trailer at 45,000 pounds. I'm not with either unit but I've calculated the max gvw at being around 60,000 for the combination. I'd have headroom. I have access to a scale to make sure I would not be overweight on any axle before I hit the road. Here's a picture to help visualize the combination from the last time I hauled it. Only this time it will have the truck tractor in front of it instead of an F350 View attachment 68526
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Part of determining if you need a CDL and fall under the regulations is are you engaged in commerce? The load is personal property, no money is changing hands, then you are exempt.
Don't get excited because this only applies to your household goods. When you start moving the shop equipment that stuff is used to make you money which makes you fall under the regulations.
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More simply put, if I rolled through a scale house private carrier not for hire with a trailer full of personal household goods it is not considered interstate commerce and it would be all fine and dandy. BUT, if I rolled through with any shop equipment, it would be considered interstate commerce and I'd be stopped where ever I got caught?
That is so far the best answer that I've gotten all week. I'm not concerned about the cdl. I'll get it regardless. We are relocating to Texas. 3 years of intrastate commerce isn't too bad. Depending on which route you take, it takes 1-3 days to drive from one side to the other. Just another possibility to make money. I do heavy equipment repair for our shop and I wouldn't be afraid to put a lowboy on the back of the truck to go pick up a dead machine. I'm not afraid of dirt. Well, it looks like i've got some research to do. Thank you. Those FMCSA rules can be overwhelming at times. -
A " private carrier" carrying or moving the stock and trade of a heavy equipment repair shop isn't going to have any "exemptions" from anything. You will be engaging in interstate commence in the eyes of FMCSA.
A private carrier has a DOT # and no MC number, and is subject to all the rules of a for hire carrier, they just don't need the insurance filing and the MC authority. Some agriculture and the above mentioned instances for exemptions exist, but those are for HOS, drug/alcohol testing, medical cards and not necessarily for a CDL. In other words you may be exempt from drug/alcohol testing and HOS if you "occasionally" move race cars or personal items, but the need for a CDL is based on weight and will still be there. "For Hire" is a term used in the regulations to sort out those in need of authority from those who don't, but the term "not for hire" is tossed around as bearing some weight, but doesn't show up in the regulations as meaning anything.
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FMCSA recognizes "for hire" and "private" carriers. They don't have a category called "private carrier not for hire" It might make understanding the regs easier if you aren't trying to find answers for a category that isn't really there. I know the term "not for hire" gets tossed around, but you won't find it in the green book as a category that enjoys specific exemptions.
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If your father is legal then why not just let him drive? Make sure your axle weights are good and sit back and enjoy the ride. You'll have more than your share later on. I-10 is closely watched. Especially FL and LA.
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There really is no such thing as "not for hire". This seems to be a state thing that is allowed by a few states.
A private carrier means you are hauling your own stuff, doesn't mean you can't take on other people's loads.
YOU need a CDL, the trucks need to have the right numbers and company name on them and you need the right insurance. The other thing that is not mentioned is that the trailer may not be legal. I think that just changing the axle may not be enough for some enforcement officers who will inspect the thing and discover that the trailer isn't made to haul that weight.
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