Power Steering?

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Roteck, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. Roteck

    Roteck Light Load Member

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    I have a 2015 KW T680 with the Cummins ISX in it and I'm having trouble with the power steering for a while now. Lately it had been getting harder and harder to turn after a long day's drive. I would drive 500 miles and get to a customer and have to back in but the power steering would not let me turn the wheel. I had to rev up the engine to get it to turn and when I did it seemed to turn just fine so long as the engine was revved up a little. If I'm sitting still at idle it won't barely turn at all. I brought it into a shop and told them the issue. They called me back the next day and said they don't know why it was locking up but it's fine now so they drained and bled the system. I told them I wanted a new pump in it since this was the second shop that said it was fine and drained and bled it only for it to lock up on me after I drive it for a while. So they just replaced the pump as I asked and I picked it up, seemed to be working just fine. Drove about 340 miles, pulled into a rest area and noticed as soon as I was turning into the spot that the wheel had stiffened up since this morning. Sure enough when I stopped, the wheel would struggle to turn after about 1/4 turn. If I gave it some throttle it turned fine. What's going on with this #### thing and why do these shops keep claiming nothing is wrong?
     
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  3. JohnC123

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    Any signs of fresh oil about the frame or suspension?
     
  4. Roteck

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    Nope spotless. Only place there is oil is around the drain plug for the motor. Tightened that up already though.
     
  5. Ridgeline

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    The pump wasn't the problem, it is in the steering box, I had to replace two boxes on WS which did the same thing. there is a valve in the box that has seals that swell up and jam the valve, so when you are slow enough you need the power assist, the pressure from the pump does not get applied to the steering gear.

    I really wish these mechanics get their head out of their *****, they need to put a pressure gauge on the pump outlet/steering box inlet to see if it is really the pump or something else.
     
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  6. Roteck

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    So I need a steering box then. And 3 shops couldn't tell me that. Two were KW dealers, the other was a Power service shop in Indianapolis. I'll have too look into those now and get some prices. I'm about to start doing these harder jobs by myself. I also had a tractor air leak that I didn't know the location of and they claimed to have fixed it and tested it but nope, looks like I'll have to get my torch ready for frozen trailer breaks since I can't keep the tanks full at night with the truck off. I'll just watch YouTube and probably can get #### done better. Sorry but I've had it with these shops not knowing a bolt from a screw.
     
  7. JohnC123

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    What throws me about yours is how new it is and that 2 different shops had a peek at this system, I've seen older trucks where the reservoir filter had deteriorated to mush or the pressure line come apart from the inside to block things up, froze kingpins and just complete steer motor failure internally. After 340 miles everything is warm but I'm wondering if there is a component there that heats to a point of deterioration then cools and works as advertised?
     
  8. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Part of the problem is temperature. When you are experiencing the problem, it is after a while of driving, so the fluid is hot. When the shops are testing it, the fluid is cooler or cold. When hot, the fluid is thinner is able to leak past seals that it won't when cold and thick. They need to do their testing with the fluid hot to find the problem.
     
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  9. Roteck

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    Right. That's why I explained to them what was going on because I knew it was fine when cold and only happened when it warmed up. But none of the shops listened to me and kept saying it's fine. That's why I told them this time I don't care if it's acting fine now, replace the ####ing pump. So they did. Elminiated that possible cause now and had to come to a forum to find out it was never the problem.
     
  10. Goodysnap

    Goodysnap Road Train Member

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    So what to do when the new gear doesnt fix it? Surely then you'll be really frustrated. Throwing parts at it may fix it eventually, but is usually not the cheapest. Steering gear issues are normally pretty consistent. By your description the problem comes and goes. Is it repeatable every time it gets up to a certain temp?

    Get the proper pressure and flow meter on it and get it to fail. This is the way to find the problem. Does the fluid have any air in it when it wont turn? If I had no test equipment I would be removing and inspecting , the resevoir, all lines and fittings for a foreign object restricting fluid flow before changing any more parts. You might fix it without any parts at all.

    Good luck.
     
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