post trip rules

Pre trip isn't required and if you have only one truck no report at all is required.

Driver vehicle inspection report(s). (a) Report required. (1) Motor carriers.Every motor carrier shall require its drivers to report, and every driver shall prepare a report in writing at the completion of each day's work on each vehicle operated, except for intermodal equipment tendered by an intermodal equipment provider. The report shall cover at least the following parts and accessories:

(d) Exceptions. The rules in this section shall not apply to a private motor carrier of passengers (nonbusiness), a driveaway-towaway operation, or any motor carrier operating only one commercial motor vehicle.

 

You can do as many inspections as you chose, however you must start your day with a pre-trip inspection and complete your day with an inspection.
If you are on e-logs (minute by minute logging) you are going to be on-duty not driving for both the pre-trip and post-trip. you will be on-duty for anything you do that is work related but not driving.. Everything you do will take @ least 1 minute, right?

Just added the e-logs in for those doing e-logs. You must check with your company and ask how they "feel" you should log it. Honestly you should log pre & post and you should be checking your equipment thoroughly on both inspections... I would rather get my truck in the shop at the end of my day, since the on-duty won't count against my 14 hour clock, take my 10 and be fresh to go or maybe/just maybe your in a hotel taking your 10 while they are working on your truck?? Several options there. If I discover it at the begging of my day, I just woke up, ready to go only to waist my time waiting on a shop. Truck gets done, now I am tired...

 

You should read the regulations. They state that a driver must assure him/herself that the vehicle is safe to operate, and that the carrier will require the driver to complete an inspection report - unless its a one-truck operation.

NOWHERE in the FMCSRs is an inspection (pre or post) required. It is only implied. There are states that require a pretrip inspection in their laws, and a company may dictate an inspection.

 

Ok, kinda splitting hairs I guess. 396.13 says a driver shall be satisfied the vehicle is in safe operating condition. And 396.11 says you have to prepare a report.
I guess you are correct that it "implies" that you did an inspection since you signed off that you did. And remember DOT goes by interpretation of the rule and I'm betting they interpret that to mean you must do an inspection IMO.

 

it's also not at the beginning of each day or ending of each day.

the drivers are getting confused.

"" it's done at the beginning and end of the shift "" regardless of wether that shift is one day OR two days.

 

it's not lying, it's called being smart. why waste your 7 hours ON DUTY before flagging inspection. now you have to take your 10. THAT'S 17 HOURS YOUR SITTING. instead of using that 7 to be OFF DUTY. now you only have to take take 3 more hours.

you're already at the truckstop. you're already parked. use that time wisely instead of wasting it. if you don't have a load. then so be it. but your time was spent off duty instead of wasting half of it waiting for dispatch.

in all technicality. since you don't have a load. technically your shift ended 7 hours before you decided to log off duty anyways.

the rules state a inspection must be flagged. wether it's before or after your shift or both.

how do you flag your potty breaks??? you know the govt wants to know when your squirting the dirt or having a extended sit break at the restroom. right?????

 

@LogsRus


Ahh not exactly,,,I show my postrip ,,off duty,at least 2 minutes and then straight to sleepr(if its the actual end of the day and I wont move)

Pretrip-yes onduty,,actual time it takes(sidenote:,we had a msg that whatever you "claim" you might want to be sure you can actually back it up,we had a driver showing 4 mins everyday,During a Level1 in TX ,DOT officer said show me a 4 min pretrip)

Now before all that read this and start quoting the "397... yes I understand what you will say about this

 

Great call, thanks.

The auditor obviously doesn't even know his own rules, so many drivers think these guys know the law like the back of their hand, they do not.

 

Fine .Just let us know what happens when your logs are checked at a scale or during an audit and they see you logged off duty for a postrip

 

I can do my pre trip in about three or four minutes.
I just draw a line down from starting point and put
PT ins. at end. I also put a line and LC for load check every two to three hours of loaded. As more revenues dry up we will see more BS more often.