Personal ELD for Logging, No Company ELD's

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  1. davefred99

    davefred99 Bobtail Member

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    Here is a question I have not seen and answer to. Say you work for a company that mostly does local short hauls but occasionally takes loads that are not local and you have to log your hours and miles in a log book. Also this company has no trucks with ELD's installed because they claim they are exempt,whether this is true or not is questionable.
    Can a driver own and use there own ELD and just plug it in so as to be able to use digital logging and avoid the hassle of filling out paper logs even if technically they are only part time drivers and exempt from the ELD mandate.
    The quick and dirty question really is can you own your own ELD and use it for logging instead of paper logs or does the ELD need to be registered to the transport company.
     
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    You can use your own, depending on company policy.

    If you are truly local and exempt from logging you need to meet criteria.
    1. No more than 12 hour shift. Work longer than 12 hours, you must log.
    2. Don't exceed the 100 air mile radius.
    3. Company must keep records of time.

    If you do qualify, you can still go outside those requirements 8 days in any rolling 30 days and just paper log without needing an ELD.

    That said, if you are running a full ELD that connects to the ECM and follows all regs for ELD's it will have to be able to connect to the truck. It will also be very grumpy if it's not always used because it will detect all non-ELD movement and ask about it. If you are using a simple Electronic Logger (smartphone app) you will need to be able to print your logs on demand on the side of the road
     
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  4. davefred99

    davefred99 Bobtail Member

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    After reading up a little it from what I can tell that ELD's can not be moved from one truck to another. They are supposed to stay connected to what ever truck they are paired to all the time. So it seems that once you install it in one truck it has to stay in the same truck or it will not work properly.
    If someone better informed than me can explain how they actually work in real life please fill me in. I am just getting back into trucking and these devices did not exist back when I previously had a CDL. I have never use one and am just trying to get a handle on how they work. I don't expect to need one but might like the using one better then hand logs which I also have little experience with since I have almost always been only a local haul driver and never learned how to properly fill out a paper log book.
     
  5. lovesthedrive

    lovesthedrive R.I.P.

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    Google ELD App (or use app store)
    I just did a search. Two top names came up.
    Keep Truckin
    Big Road

    Good luck
     
  6. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Well, it depends on the ELD. Ones like Omnitracs or Peoplenet are "built in" yes. Ones like Rand Mcnally that plug into the diagnostic port can be moved between trucks fairly easy. The biggest problem is most (but not all) have a monthly fee, even if it's not used. Your best bet would be looking into one of the non-subcription ones like Garmin eLog. This is where you can PM @Dieselboss as he sells ELD's and can match up your requirements with what's out there.

    Problem with an "ELD app" is they are elctronic logs, not ELD's that hook up to the ECM of the truck. While most do sell an ELD component to go with the electronic log, by itself one would also need to carry around a printer as one needs to be able to print on demand as this is seen in the law as no different than a paper log. Some LEO's require a physical copy of the logs.
     
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    abyliks Road Train Member

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    If it’s less then 8 days you can use paper or the old style recorder type log on a smart device
     
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  8. MTN Boomer

    MTN Boomer Road Train Member

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    Where do you think the ecm goes too? It goes to the same port, there were logs on a tablet or computer, whether they are still available or not I don't know, just run a paper log, soon it will be a lost skill. I see new drivers freaking out if the ELD doesn't work
     
  9. tarmadilo

    tarmadilo Road Train Member

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    Before the ELD mandate, I used KeepTruckin as my personal electronic logbook. It’s as valid as paper logs, if that’s what you’re looking for.
     
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    The print requirement has been changed. Logging apps like KeepTruckin can transmit logs by several methods. Open the app to inspection mode, choose transmit logs and enter the appropriate information, press send.
    To be a qualified ELD, it needs to be electronically connected to the ECM of the vehicle. If not, it will operate in manual mode, just like a paper log.
     
  11. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Not per the guidance. If it's not connected to an ECM, it must be able to print on demand.

    Question 28: May a driver use a computer, tablet, or smartphone (that is not an Automatic On-Board Recording Device) to create, electronically sign, and store the record of duty status (RODS)?

    Guidance:

    Yes. A driver may make manual duty-status entries to a computer, tablet, or smartphone program that is used to generate the graph grid and entries for the record of duty status (RODS) or log book, provided the electronically-generated display (if any) and output includes the minimum information required by §395.8 and is formatted in accordance with that section. The driver must sign the RODS (manually or electronically) at the end of each 24-hour period to certify that all required entries are true and correct.

    1. If electronic signatures are not used:
    • The driver must print and manually sign the RODS daily.
    • The driver must have in his or her possession the printed and signed RODS for the prior seven consecutive days (if required on those days).
    • The driver should be given an opportunity to print and manually sign the current day’s RODS at the time of the inspection.
    1. If RODS have been electronically signed:
    • At the time of an inspection of records by an enforcement official, the driver may display the current and prior seven days RODS to the official on the device’s screen.
    • If the enforcement official requests printed copies of the RODS, the driver must be given an opportunity to print the current and prior seven days RODS (if required on those days) at the time of inspection.
     
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