Personal Box Truck

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by modoma, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. modoma

    modoma Bobtail Member

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    Hi everybody

    So I've done tons of research on this topic and all the various regulations are making my head spin. I've acquired an ex-UHaul F350 14', unladen weight 7540 lbs. and 11,000 lbs. GVW. It is literally my garage, as I live in an apartment and still like to work on (my own) project bikes. The only time it will actually be moved is for smog and transporting my personal possessions while moving. I'm in California and calling the DMV commercial vehicle department has been a dead end, as in they just transfer me to a line that nobody seems to answer. Some of my questions (thank you in advance for any answers/insight)...

    It seems I need commercial insurance (is this a 'straight truck'?), how much damage do these trucks realistically do? I don't want an anemic policy in case the worst happens.
    Do I need an MCP #? I've read through motor carrier permit handbook and it's clear as mud
    Do I need to keep a logbook? Only time I can see myself driving >100 miles is if/when I move
    What do I do about weight scales? I've never gone through one and it seems like I'd be holding up people actually trucking for a living.

    I probably should have researched this better in advance, but I'm in love with the space it affords me. I considered a trailer originally, but I don't have a suitable tow vehicle, nor the driving skill to cram it into the parking.

    Thank you if you've read through this, I hope somebody can help
     
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  3. KeithT1967

    KeithT1967 Road Train Member

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    I don't know about California specifically but in Ohio you can register any truck as a private use vehicle. Yes, even a class 8 tractor trailer combo.
     
  4. VisionLogistics

    VisionLogistics Road Train Member

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    You're only going to drive it for smog inspection and if you move personal goods? No commercial use? That is what I gather from your post, and here are some general responses to get you going.

    1. Yes, it's a straight truck, also sometimes called a box truck.

    2. MCP? You don't need to jump through hoops designed for a motor carrier if you're not a motor carrier (in most cases). You shouldn't need to get any motor carrier certifications such as the federal MC number.

    3. No, no log book is required.

    4. Scales will have a sign before the entrance describing who must enter. Usually it's determined by commercial status, axle count, weight, or a combination of those. Most times a non-commercial two-axle straight truck won't need to go across the scale. I'm speaking from the perspective of a long-haul motor carrier whom has seen a lot of scales, but I haven't run California since 2004, so your experience may vary.

    5. You shouldn't need to get a commercial insurance policy. Call your agent.

    A straight truck with 2 axles and only 11,000 GVW in almost all instances will be exempt from the protocols & regulations designed for a commercial motor carrier / heavy duty trucks.

    Welcome to TTR.
     
  5. buzzarddriver

    buzzarddriver Road Train Member

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    As long as there are no commercial marking left on the truck(U-Haul), you register it as a private truck. Regular private insurance.
    As for scale houses, there are signs that say "NO PICKUPS" at the entrance and that is what you are considered as.
    Just remember, tho, a CHP officer may take it upon his self to stop you if you are doing 65. He might consider you a TRUCK instead of a pickup. You could put "Private Vehicle" decals on each door bottom, just to show you are not commercial.
     
  6. modoma

    modoma Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the responses, I'll try calling another insurance agent to try and figure this out. A Geico agent already told me I had to get a commercial policy... which was pricey. He seemed confused that I had 0 commercial purposes for it.

    KeithT1967 - Even pickup trucks need commercial license plates here, oddly. I transplanted here from NJ so all the extra red tape is pretty new

    VisionLogistics - Yes, zero commercial use. No racing, flea markets, nothing. I finally found a webpage with info on weigh scale requirements on California's site that wasn't a broken link, though I had to navigate through a few out of date ones to get there. Apparently even vans (!) have to stop. It appears that U-haul type trucks are counted as 'motor trucks' and must stop. Though I really wonder if the real world differs from this... how would anybody get anywhere on time with this rule? Do I just need to move when the scales are closed? And thanks for the welcome!

    buzzarddriver - I've read about the markings... does putting "Not For Hire" or "Private Vehicle" help?

    Thanks again for the quick answers. Just looking through all these regulations, I find it miraculous that stuff actually gets shipped
     
  7. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Over 10,001 lbs GVW makes it a commercial vehicle for registration purposes, just like a pick-up truck. In Ca. DMV considers a person buying a pick-up will be hauling stuff around and therefor makes you pay commercial registration fees. One interesting thing, if you put a camper shell on your pick-up (in Ca.), you can put passenger car plates on it. A single screw straight truck WITHOUT air brakes needs no special drivers license. It's only when you go to a twin screw and/or air brakes you need a CDL. Or pull a trailer with a 10,000 GVW rating.

    Insurance companies will consider this ex U-haul vehicle a commercial vehicle for insurance purposes because the manufacturer manufactured this to be a commercial vehicle. I mean, normal everyday folk don't drive around in box trucks to get to work or the market, right ? Plan on going thru the scales and if you don't haul any freight for payment, put "Private-not-for-hire" on the side and you shouldn't have any problems. I would discuss your usage with your insurance guy to make sure he understands it's not for commercial usage.
     
    VisionLogistics Thanks this.
  8. VisionLogistics

    VisionLogistics Road Train Member

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    Ughhhh! I was way off on my answers, thanks for dialing it in for this poster. I'm glad I don't go to Cali anymore. :)
     
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