Oversize pricing, advice?

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  1. DDlighttruck

    DDlighttruck Road Train Member

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    There's been a couple threads in the past couple months, but they haven't really given me much help. I think where I'm stuck is the "office" side of things. I think it would be easy to say $3 per mile, once you have to pull a permit, THEN add "X" for the back office work.

    So, 22' by 12' bean planter. I have asked for height, but I don't expect it to be overheight. it will be going from a farm, to a farm. I'm expecting help on both ends to load/unload. I would have to deadhead 60-80 miles there, pick up, load, drive the 200 miles to deliver, then deadhead 100 miles home.

    So, based on past experience, I'll say 6 hours office work to pull the permits. 6 x $20 = $120. Good starting point? 400 miles x $3 mile = $1200. So $1320, the permit costs $65, so $1385. That seems pricey. If I drop to $2 per mile, it's still $985.

    I'm still learning, I'd like to keep the customer, but I don't want to work for free/too cheaply. And I want more experience running OSOW. So do I run a bit cheaper, to gain experience, or try to pop full rate to make money, AND get experience, but risk losing the load?
     
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  3. jbatmick

    jbatmick Road Train Member

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    Depends on if this is a regular customer, or a one shot deal.Rather hard to charge for time to obtain permits.
    If you do it cheap once, you will be expected to do it cheap all the time. Escort ? That would be extra.
    I would like to charge $2.75 for every mile run, and cost of permits. Or a flat 100 bucks an hour, start to finish, plus permits.
     
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  4. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I don't see how it would take 6 hr to pull a 12' wide permit, it would take me all of 10 minutes if it's just one state. 1,385 is still cheaper than I'd do it but that's just me.

    If I can't get $120 hr for legal loads and $140 hr + permits for oversize, my truck sits. That load is going to take you 10 hrs minimum.
     
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  5. Hurst

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    Try getting a 12' wide permit for NY state. Its a grab bag,.. 24 hours to 3 days has been my experience. Getting a Thru-way permit took me 20 mins for 11' wide. Go figure.

    Hurst
     
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  6. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Time. That's what you're trying to figure out. How much time will I have tied up on this load? See, I like to see minimum $1000/day. From the time I start until the time I am ready to grab my next load.

    Can't do the straight $3/mile rate because sometimes, $3/mile won't pay for my time. Say for example, you have a regular contracted customer in Charlotte,NC. Customer has a load, oversized and 14'8 tall, 11 wide and 14000 going to GilletteWY. How much time would you have tied up on that load?
     
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  7. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I have to admit, never been to NY and have no desire to go.

    I figure everything on time. At the end of the day that's all that matters to me. You can charge $5 a mile but if you only get 100 miles, for whatever reason, you not doing too well.

    You want that load tarped? Sure but you are going to pay $120 per hr for me to tarp it.
     
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  8. DDlighttruck

    DDlighttruck Road Train Member

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    I'm not sure if that was meant rhetorically, but I do know I would have no business bidding on it.

    Cheyenne to Gillette is 1800 miles. 3 1/2 days drive. 1/2 day to load, 1/2 day to unload. It would take me a day to route that, order permits, and order pilot cars. You didn't provide a length, so I'll assume it's under super load length. NC requires one pilot with a height pole for over 14'5". And, depending on when it's loaded, and weekend restrictions, you may have to sit for a day or two.

    So 7 days ($7000) plus escort and permit costs. Close?
     
  9. DDlighttruck

    DDlighttruck Road Train Member

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    The first time was amateur hour. For single trip permits they need to know the route, exactly from address 1 to address 2. I had no idea how to fill out the form correctly, I was using someone's else's trailer, had to "guess" at the axle spacings. Two or three phone calls from the permit office, resubmitting the application, couple emails in there, driving to a fax machine, it all adds up.

    They told me if I get an annual permit I don't need to provide routing every time.

    Interesting view on the hourly. I'll have to start looking at things differently. Thank you
     
  10. Ruthless

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    Next time you know you'll be doing one pm me I'll give you my permit services phone number. Ny Nys thruway are 6 hours tops in my experience. I do them for same/next day all the time. Unless it needs a route survey, then it's longer obviously
     
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  11. Hurst

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    I use Mercury Permit services. Christine is my go to with them. She is always on the ball,.. if there are any hang ups,.. its at the red tape end.

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