Oil Pressure Issue Cummins N14

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by OldRed98, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. Final Drive

    Final Drive Road Train Member

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    I had the same situation in Lexington,KY
    As you are having drove to the freightliner dealership and they replaced all the pickup oil tube clamps ....Same engine .
     
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  3. OldRed98

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    Kicking myself for not seeing that when I had the pan out. Guess I’ll get my practice pulling the oil pan. I’ll ask Kenworth for new oil pickup tube brackets.
     
  4. drive-away2020

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    When it comes to putting the pick up tube back on, I always tighten the retaining clip on the oil pump side first, then tighten the flange on the oil pan side. The oil pan can flex a bit, and I’ve found that it seals better that way, for no oil leaks at the pump (even though it’s opposite of Cummins spec!) you did do the two o-rings right? The one in the retaining clip on the oil pump side, then the one under the flange on the pan side?

    I got a video on YouTube doing the pan, cooling nozzles and pick up tube. Sounds like you got it going though!
     
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  5. OldRed98

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    hdt_louisiana this video helped me out a lot when I put the pan back in! Great video

    The problem I’m having now is the pickup tube inside the pan is loose and pushed back when I installed the exterior pickup tube. I replaced all the gaskets and O ring. Just not sure how it sealed with that pickup tube in the pan having play. I feel like that internal tube should be tighter. I haven’t put oil back in or tested it out.
     
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    Yeah that sounds right, I don’t think there should be much or any play on the inside. But honestly, I can’t remember last time I did it, what the play felt like. How can you feel the play? By moving the external transfer tube by hand?

    I do understand wanting to pull the pan back down to inspect what it may be, though that means probably needing a new pan gasket(?) wish I could remember a bit better, but my intuition says the same, that the external transfer tube should be firm to the touch when pushed on.

    It’s just the two female bolt receivers on the inside right? I went back in my video and couldn’t really tell what holds the interior pick up tube in place besides that clamping together force with the two bolts, and some mounting bolts further down the pan.
     
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  7. OldRed98

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    My internal pickup tube looked a little different than yours. I had 3 mounting brackets. It had a lot of play though. I just figured it was designed that way. I didn’t see any broken mounting brackets.

    When I put the external pickup tube on, the internal tube pushed back in the pan easily a 1/4 inch or more. It made me wonder how it will seal since it’s just an O-ring on a loose pipe. I put on a little liquid gasket like in your video. That was when I realized that must be my issue.

    My gut says to get another pan gasket and pull it apart again. The pan is a bit of a pain to do but at least I won’t have as much gasket scraping to do. I bet I can do it twice as fast now.
     
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    Yeah! I hear you on being able to do it twice as fast now. That was my first time on that video, just feeling my way through. I had already experience with doing the oil pump and pick up tube, but not the pan.

    is there someone you can ask in town? To bad nobody on here has chimed in yet on this particular part. Could possibly save you some time and money. But it would also be a waste to put $150 worth of oil in just to watch it leak and have to drain it all again. But I guess if you have a clean way to catch your oil like I do now, you might could give it tr

    But your right. Now that I think about it. Doesn’t the internal pick up tube poke outside the pan just a smidge? Like a 1/4 inch or so? I faintly remember that, because that’s where the O ring goes around right? I might be misplacing a memory here. But if that’s the case, if the internal side is not poking out then your just at the mercy of the external flange against the o ring, which is not by design, if that where suppose to be the design, it would just be a flat gasket I’m thinking. Plus if there’s a gap between pipes, the suction of the pump will probably be off since there’s not a direct flow available from the internal pipe AND, possibility of unfiltered objects getting through that gap.

    so with all of that being said. Since you know for sure the internal pipe slid back, then yeah something doesn’t seem right. Question is also, what made it slide back? And how to properly secure it so it doesn’t repeat its motion backwards in your next instal.
     
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  9. OldRed98

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    Thanks for talking through this with me! I stopped by MHC Kenworth this morning and spoke to their mechanic. He said that internal pipe should be pretty tight and sounds like a mounting bracket is broken allowing the pipe to slide Around. So I went ahead and ordered new mounting clips for the internal pipe and another Pan gasket. I’ll make sure that pipe is tight before putting it back together this time. The mechanic told me to inspect the internal pipe for any cracks too.

    I think it’s well worth getting everything perfect while I have my truck at home and not wasting oil. I’ve been running Amsoil and it’s not cheap. I just happened to get lucky and be a couple of miles from home when this problem started. Could have ended up needing a tow truck.

    you are right... that internal pickup tube sticks out of the pan a 1/4-1/2 inch. Mine slid back in almost flush with the pan. Something has to be wrong with that.

    Your video helped me out a lot. I watched it last week before starting this work. Super cool that I actually get to talk in the forum with you. I subscribed to your channel.
     
  10. drive-away2020

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    sounds like a win! YouTube has helped me so much over the years, so I decided at some point to pay it forward, especially on videos that weren’t there to help me. Sounds like you got it going on the right track.
     
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    My truck runs way better after replacing the pickup tube mounting brackets, new oil pump, and new piston coolers. I think I've had inadequate oil pressure for a long time but I never noticed it until it really dropped. Truck has more power climbing hills. I've also had a common issue with the N14 (hot fuel return). After running all day my fuel tank would get hot and the truck would run a little rough. I wouldn't say this 100% fixed the hot fuel return but it definitely improved this issue.
     
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