Non Lethal Force options for personal protection?

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  1. Oor

    Oor Road Train Member

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    You solved the problem and now you want to add to it.

    Let it go, you won.
     
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  3. MacLean

    MacLean Road Train Member

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    Rubber bullets.
     
  4. Short Fuse EOD

    Short Fuse EOD Road Train Member

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    There is no need to non lethally defend yourself in a truck. If someone has put themselves in a position where you are in danger where you need force, that line has been crossed. At that point anything can be used. Hammer, thermos, your hands, etc.. If you’re in a sleeper and someone has entered and you have no egress, you do what ever it takes. Once the treat is gone, so is the force.
    Non lethal force is a step of deterrence but is a step in the process that can escalate. If you don’t have a pre and post plan you are not prepared. You are smart by asking questions and trying to be prepared. But without a plan and some basic practice training it may be pointless.
     
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  5. Long FLD

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    Nobody approaches my truck much and people don’t seem to want to come up and talk when I have her out for a walk.

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  6. ZVar

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    I'll ask again. Where is it illegal to use wasp spray specifically as a weapon as printed on the can? Not general information that has no bearing on the question, but specific law that makes it illegal.
    Also, don't care about how well it works or not, that wasn't the question. The statement it's against the law is a lie until the law is shown.
     
  7. Graham Cracker

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    Think I know what I’m gonna buy.



    These pepper ball guns are perfect. Range of up to 150 feet. The pepper balls hits them and hurts really bad and turns into a powder of pepper spray. So it’s like you’re shooting them and spraying them with mace at the same time.
     
  8. Space Truckin

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    First of all, chances of this being enforced are next to nil. But technically @Bean Jr. is correct here. He must know someone in the industry or maybe worked in it himself before.

    However, since you asked. I owned a commercial landscape company for 20 years prior to getting my CDL. I worked under a friend's license to apply pesticides. I was an ID card holder in several categories including L&O, GHP, and wood destroying organisms. I was an applicator on my own accounts, later I worked as a termite inspector for some other companies (after selling my business). Because at at one point I had wanted to open a pest control company, so I was preparing to take my examination for certified operator in the state of Florida. Which is a license to operate a pest control company, essentially.

    The Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) is THE law governing pretty much everything about pest control, from labelling, application, licensing requirements and on and on. This is one of the first things you are taught in that industry. Along with the very often repeated phrase 'the label is the law'. In other words, if the label says 2 oz./gal. and you put 4, technically you are breaking this federal law.

    Again, chances of getting caught, enforcement, are next to nil. But that is what the law states. I heard this a million times while working in the industry, but just now for giggles I decided to actually see if I could find where it actually says that. Refer to 7 U.S. Code § 136j - Unlawful acts, particularly (a)(2)(G): "to use any registered pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling;" which is a link to the definition of that which can be found at the very beginning of 7 U.S.C. §136, i.e., 'FIFRA'.

    EDIT: About the wasp spray, it would be the part where it says something like "for use in controlling wasps, bla bla and other flying insects" or whatever. The target pests. Which will almost always be on there somewhere. Therefore 'self defense' would not be 'consistent with the labelling'. If that was what you meant, more specifically.
     
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  9. Tumbleweed TowMan

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    That one for self-preservation.

    Experience here.
     
  10. Bean Jr.

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    Chapter 4. Pesticides. | D.C. Law Library
     
  11. Bean Jr.

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    (F) The labeling accompanying it does not contain directions for use which are necessary for effecting the purpose for which the product is intended and if compiled with, together with any requirements imposed under § 3(d) of FIFRA [7 U.S.C. § 136a(d)] are adequate to protect health and the environment;
     
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