NON-CDL Log?

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  1. saffron9

    saffron9 Bobtail Member

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    Hi guys. I have a mixed fleet of CDL and non-CDL drivers. Half of my non-CDL driver's drive CMV's according to the FMSCA regulations, and half don't. However, I have one guy who's truck has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs, but pulls trailer's with a GVWR of over 10,001 lbs. Is he required to keep an ELD log?
     
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  3. Bean Jr.

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    The requirement to run a log book and by extension an ELD depends on mileage, not weight. Pickups delivering rv trailers must run a logbook (eld exempt). 150 air miles or more requires logbook. Doing that 8 or more times in a rolling 30 day period requires eld.
     
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    I'm editing my response because I have another question. I thought only CMV driver's needed logs? I apologize, I am new to DOT compliance and the company previously did not have anything set up.
     
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  5. Bean Jr.

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    There is a category of truck that has many of the requirements of a cmv, ie logging and driver files.

    Here is something that discusses all requirements besides logging: CDL & Non-CDL Driver’s Files: What’s the Difference?
     
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  7. ZVar

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    Logging requirements are 100% weight related. Any cmv with a gcwr (combined weight rating) of 10,001 or more requires logs. Period.
    Now, if you drive under a specific mileage the log can be your timecard, but it's still a requirement to have a log.
     
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  8. saffron9

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    Thanks! I did attend a DOT compliance seminar, and I thought it depends on the CMV's GVWR? I thought the GCWR dictated whether or not a driver needed a CDL?
     
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  9. ZVar

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    Basically you need to combine fmcsa 390 and 395. 390 gives the definition of cmv, thus what fmcsa has jurisdiction of and 395 says all cmv's must log.
    From 390.5
    Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle -
    (1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or

    And from 395.1
    § 395.1 Scope of rules in this part.
    (a) General.
    (1) The rules in this part apply to all motor carriers and drivers,
     
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  10. saffron9

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    Thanks so much! I've found this particular topic to be tricky so I really appreciate your responses.
     
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  11. roundhouse

    roundhouse Road Train Member

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    Can you clarify ?

    Over 10k lbs and 150 air miles requires a log . i thought it had to be a logbook in the vehicle ?
     
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