Let's see the following example, where more than one 'no less than 2 hours' breaks were taken during one shift, in particular day 2 is a subject to discuss:
FYI: The ELD software is Keep Truckin.
Day 1:
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No violations. The 14 hours shift clock, was stopped. Question is which one of the two breaks were applied: the first one (shorter), the 2nd (longer) or both?
Day 2:
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14 hour shift violation: according to Keep Truckin it is conditional. If the required sleeper break is taken (7 hours) it will be removed. Keep Truckin ELD allows to drive, despite 'default' violation warning, until past midnight.
It seems that it stops 14 hour shift clock on for all of those breaks - all of them are no less then two hours - then adds them up and applies towards the end of the original shift :6:45 pm thus allowing to use up driving time until past midnight. Why did it show default violation at 8:55 pm and not 6:45 pm?
Is this even correct presumption that all of these 'qualifying for split" breaks should stop 14 hour clock?
Or is a programming error resulting from an inability of programmers to interpret the rules or perhaps not testing all of possible variations? Of course, KT stands by what their program shows.
Day 3:
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Required break in the sleeper was taken,
AND violations on Day 2 removed (post factum). The driving time graph is all green now.
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New split sleeper berth provision. What's the formula for 14 hour shift?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by TallJoe, May 4, 2021.
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Weird HOS interpretation by Keep Trucking.
If day started on page 1 at 4:45 after 10 hours break you should be in violation driving after 18:45 because you don't have consecutive 7 or 8 hours break in sleeper to stop 14 hours. Or i have missed something new rules? -
Keep Truckin, evidently, stops the clock for each one of them, postponing the end of shift (of day 2) until past midnight onto day 3, by more than 7 hours (1st break 2 hours; 2nd break 2 hours, 3rd break 3 hours and 15 minutes).Snailexpress Thanks this. -
I hate when people give birth in the sleeper.
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ELDs such as Keep Truckin don't show violations on the logs sent via email or output file to DOT inspectors.
Once the logs are sent, they see them in Black and White only. They need to make violation discovery by themselves.
I don't know what they would make out of it, tbh
Certainly, some would say that the above is compliant, some others would say that it is not compliant but something makes me think that the majority of them would not know the right answer is, either. So maybe it is better to hand over the 'live' log book on the tablet, just in case, so that they can see that ELDs are showing that everything is good. -
Modifies the sleeper berth exception to allow a driver to meet the 10-hour minimum off-duty requirement by spending at least 7 hours of that period in the berth combined with a minimum off-duty period of at least 2 hours spent inside or outside the berth, provided the two periods total at least 10 hours. When used together as specified, neither qualify period counts against the 14-hour driving window.
It does not specify how many 2 hours SB .TallJoe Thanks this. -
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Good question. Everything written by government you need a lawyer to understand.
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