Need help understanding "New" codes in Paccar engine.
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Guntoter, Jul 26, 2015.
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Any updates ..? Is the pos back on the road......
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I now have an oily black soot dripping from my DPF box. None of that smoke that covered my truck came from the stacks, it was all coming from the DPF. -
Oh, I shut the truck off for a few minutes when it said "STOP ENGINE". I started it a few minutes later, no codes, truck runs like brand new. I have 100 miles since all that with absolutely no issues, unfortunately Paccar never thought to have a "save" option in the ECM so if it isn't doing it when they plug in, they won't know what caused it. They will see the numbers in the history but they don't know what they are. Paccar doesn't know what a SPN:3936 is, they don't know what SPN:3610 is or a SPN:724. So whatever caused that smoke can't be diagnosed unless its doing it when they plug in. Brilliant forethought isn't it?
Oh, I also had a SPN:3251 that was "Particulate Trap Pressure", I know that because it did it when they were plugged in once (pure luck that they got that recorded). -
So if you were able to smell deisel and saw that much smoke coming out, that points to a faulty injector or faulty after treatment injector.
Yes there is a save option in the ecm, Anytime you have a check engine light, it WILL log a code in the ecm, Where there can be issues is when the light comes on and goes out and when we hook up there is 6 codes, If its now inactive and every code could cause a check engine light, which one do you diagnose? Sometimes it is straight forward, othertimes not so much. It does log times in which the CELs happen which is another tool used to help diagnose.
For SPN numbers to work, they require BOTH the SPN and FMI number. SPN numbers mean very little as they are not actual code numbers. Yes some SPN numbers can be converted to real code numbers but others do not compute. All that matters is the actual codes when we hook up to it. If you have a SPN number, there will be an acutal code number stored in the ecm to work with. The only reason there is SPN numbers is for a quick over the phone diagnosis.
Let me restate: If at anytime a CEL came on, the ecm WILL store a code.
There is convertors for SPN codes. Some of the information is missing and sometimes it is not able to convert.
In your case SPN numbers no longer matter as you are at a place where they can hook up the computer and get full information off of it. -
Paccar Corporate thought the same thing... If a "stop Engine" or cel comes on it will save it. Why then do I get several unrelated FMI and SPN's that come up on the dash, i write them down shut the truck off.... A few hours later they are gone... Never existed. So they can't "replicate". Thats what they keep saying "everything looks fine".
WHY THEN do I have soot dripping down my DPF housing, a cloud of blue smoke covers my truck the entire time its doing a re-gen? It won't do a passive re-gen, and I have a ding ding ding "chime" and bright red "STOP ENGINE" the entire time its doing the re-gen?
three months into this, they can't diagnose it until it happens while they are plugged into it.
I didn't just talk to one tech out in the shop, this started there, went to Rush management, Paccar management, then Rush corporate, Paccar engineers in Renton WA, Peterbilt Motors in Denton Tx....
Bottom line: The company that designed, built, sold, and service this truck have NO IDEA how to fix it. They can't diagnose what is wrong with it. This would have been considered a "lemon" and been replaced if it were new. Paccar can not survive if they have to replace every truck with after treatment issues for the next 10 years. Obviously they won't replace used trucks that have 400K on them. They have been very patient and spent countless hours and thrown tons of parts (at no charge to me) at it. But in three months the truck has been on the road two weeks. This Paccar experiment has destroyed me financially.
My hope is to educate potential truck buyers, if you own one or two trucks and can't survive having a truck spend that much time in a shop, stay away from this experiment... Buy a proven power plant. -
never buy a truck with 'just entered market' engine. that engine will kill you financially. wait 5-7 years before to buy it.
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The engine isn't the problem ,it is the afterthreatmentsystem and those came out in '10(for ALL engines except the Maxxforce)
Guntoter is mad because they cannot fix it because they can't diagnose the problem using the faultcodes. -
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this paccar engine is new in USA and techs are not enough trained for diagnostics and repairs. Also the engine's software itself has too many bugs. time needed to fix it and have techs trained.Last edited: Oct 18, 2015
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