Narrowed it down, DPF & DEF advice to further narrow down

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jpeters72155, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Hi everyone, I hope everyone has had a good week so far.

    I received some advice on this forum about what tractors to consider to spec out a small fleet. Thank you for that. I am not a driver myself so I come as a student but I love learning about this industry. I've read the following articles to get a basic understanding of DPF and DEF.

    http://jeremybaldwinfleetmanagement.com/2012/12/18/diesel-engine-dpf-dpf-the-difference/

    We are in CA, I'm fairly well informed of the CARB requirements. I know they aren't really enforcing their regulations right now but either way its time to upgrade some pretty ancient equipment. Below are the trucks in mind so far and their average price based on decent or average mileage, about 50k/year for the day cabs and 150k-200k/year for the sleepers. You'll also see the average market price right now (I had it and threw it in in case anyone's interested)

    Day cabs
    2008-09 International 8600 - $37,500
    2008-09 Freightliner Columbia - $42,200
    2009 International Prostar - $43,500

    Sleepers
    2008-2009 International Prostar - $44,700
    2008-2009 Freightliner Century - $45,000
    2008-2009 Freightliner Columbia - $47,000
    2008-2009 Freightliner Cascadia - $51,500
    2011-2012 International Prostar - $59,500
    2011-2012 Freightliner Cascadia - $81,000

    Will be looking for either Cummins or Detroit engines, not sure which specific models yet. What do you guys think of these tractor choices?

    Should I avoid specific models or model years due to DPF and/or DEF technology? I have read to try to avoid DPF if it has no DEF due to the increase in EGR in those engines to attain legal NoX levels. Increased EGR affects MPG negatively supposedly

    Are there problems with these engines around those 08-12 years regarding regen? I don't know if this applies for only some engine makes or specific engine model years. I know this is more than a couple questions but your help is appreciated. Thank you, gotta get some sleep.
     
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  3. SpankingGT

    SpankingGT Light Load Member

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    Im being forced to upgrade at the end of the year.

    DONOT BUY- 08-09 prostar
    DONOT buy 2011- Cascadia ( first year with DEF)
    DONOT buy 2008- Cascadia or one with series 60 motor.

    This info is based on o/o friends ( their own trucks ) Out of the ones listed, one guy up and left his truck at the dealer- 2008 prostar, major egr issues.
    One of them has a 2011 cascadia w/ def! 2009/2010 without def are giving way less problems than this one! It has had a knock sensor replaced, egr cooler replaced, compressor replaced, turbo replaced, new dpf filter, def serviced 6 times in less than 2 years.
     
  4. CargoWahgo

    CargoWahgo Road Train Member

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    Should get your filter cleaned every 3 months.

    Have 0 problem codes if I do that.
    (Kwt660 '11)

    6 cleanings is cheaper than one tow most likely.
     
  5. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    Everyone of those models is a poor choice and I'm not even sure what engines are in them. The latter models seem to be a better choice but that's not saying much. The fleet I work for is running all DD13's and when they're working right they're not bad but that's not saying much. I would say on average every one of these is in the shop every 20k due to emissions problems. In fact, we have one 2012 cascadia that is known as the "shop queen" since it's back and forth to Freightliner. At least your drivers will have a lot of down time. I can't imagine trying to run a business with any of the newer engines.
     
  6. Ubu

    Ubu Road Train Member

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    150k-200k/year for a sleeper truck is high mileage IMO. Would have to have been a team truck to get 200K average per year or someone ran their ##### off.
     
  7. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    i presume these
    have no DEF?(Maxiforce engine?)
    If so..........stay away from them.
    They are,the Maxiforce engine ,is not a EGr but a MEGR engine with lots off problems.

    From all trucks you have posted,since you are in California,only the 2012 Freightliners are worth buying for you.
    I suggest you read the CARB website and you will see why i said this.
     
  8. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Yeah we plan on running mostly teams w/ the sleepers from CA to several states in the East.
     
  9. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Those Prostars would have Cummins engines. I've definitely read bad things about the Maxfs, I think they call them Lackforce or something :]

    Did you say only the 2012 Freightliners because of CARBs 2010 model engine year requirement that be in effect eventually?
     
  10. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for the info. Right now we are open to different tractors. I thought the above would be a good value but yeah, want to find potential problems before taking such a big plunge. We can't do anything huge like get abrand new set of tractors but I we can stick to a least a couple newer models or even different makes.

    We really wouldn't be considering the new tech if it wasn't for CARB. I don't think the MPG savings are worth spending extra on the newest trucks, even if the new tech in them is working flawlessly unless you're doing long haul team driving but like I said, CARB. What tractors, 2008 or newer, would you recommend for 4-6 day cabs doing local pickups and 2-3 sleepers doing about 150k-200k/year?
     
  11. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Yes,.............if plan on running those trucks for a long time.
    Also they will have the bugs worked out off them.
    And MPG are good.

    A while back there was a small fleet owner on TTR and he had calculated that with the MPG his new trucks gave him,they were running cheaper then his old trucks.

    If you read the posts the Schneider Choice drivers make here on TTR,they are positive about the 2012 Freightliners.
     
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