N14 Spun Rod Bearing

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  1. RidinDirty11

    RidinDirty11 Light Load Member

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    Hey everyone. After reading some of the comments in here about bearing replacement, thought I would add my two cents. I have a N14 525 with 900,000 miles on it. It is used for heavy haul. Right before Christmas the engine seized on the driver. I did not have time to lowboy it home until end of last week. I did some reading on the forums, and many post said the number 5 bearing is the first to go. I don't remember why, maybe someone can remind me. Anyhow, I went and pulled the pan, and looked at the road bearing caps. Sure enough number 5 cap was discolored. Pulled the cap, and the bearing was one of the worst I have ever seen in 30 years., Engine freed up, and knew I had a head ache on my hands. Now I have to pull the whole engine to replace the crank, a rod and a week of busting my ### to rebuild the engine. I guess the nice part is knowledge that I have an engine that will go another 900,000 miles, but what a chore. Also a new clutch being I am right there.

    So for those of you who preach ,that you should not need to roll bearings before an inframe, I strongly disagree.I pulled the rest of the caps and they showed more wear than I like to see. This engine had never been gone into before. I am now planning on rolling bearings in my other 460 N14 soon as this is done, Heads, counterbores, liners , pistons etc can all be done in the truck. Roll a rod bearing and out comes the engine. Word of warning when guys here tell you not to worry about rolling bearings at 500k, I am going back to old school and just plan on doing them at 600K. The 225.00 and day it takes is cheap insurance. I just got a quote on my parts and it came in at 4300.00. For the guy who is not mechanically inclined, this would be a 20k repair in a shop with the oil pump and heads etc. I will reuse my heads as they tested good, as well as my injectors. I pulled the piston nozzles, and all were good. Time for some whiskey and long nights. When I replace a crank I check the rod end play, and all the measurements on the crank along with plasti-gauge, so will take a whole night just to get the #### thing in, and measured. Enough ranting, you all have been warned !

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  3. Bakerman

    Bakerman Road Train Member

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    I rolled mine in at 1.4mm because of a low oil pressure indication, turns out it was a loose wire on the circuit board in the dash was the culprit. Bearings were only slightly worn and didn't look bad at all.

    Still going with 1.7 on it now and looking to hit 2 mil before and inframe. I don't haul the weight that you do, my average gvw is usually around 55,000 with a full load of furniture. The heaviest I've ever been was 72,000.
     
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  4. rollin coal

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    I have posted time and time again bearing roll in's are an unnecessary waste of money with a C-15. And stand by it. Your N14 is known to have this issue and it isn't a problem with C-15's.
     
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  5. catwrench55

    catwrench55 Light Load Member

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    What about a 60 series running stout?
     
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  6. Ozdriver

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    Oil sampling should pick it up. When I had a GM 8V92 years ago it would show consistently 15 - 20 ppm of copper, one oil change it went to 100 ppm, next one went to 200 ppm. I dropped the oil pan and #4 main was on its last legs.
     
  7. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    I'll go with riding dirty on this. I wouldnt go past 1 million miles on a CAT. I lost a good 2ws 3406E to a spun rod bearing at 950,000 miles. Oil pressure was good. 6 month earlier oil sample was good blah blah blah. It worked out ok only because i got lucky and found a good rebuilt mbn at a reasonable price.
     
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  8. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Does that mean replaced bearings and ran? I look forward to answers on 60's. Everyone almost convinced me to run bearings to overhaul time. When I started we did bearings at 3-400,000 and expected to inframe at 6-800,000. If engines are expected to run 1,500,000 maybe bearings at 750,000 is still a good investment. I have seen a lot of N14 broken piston cooling nozzles. If any are hard to get to I would at least replace them.
     
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  9. Ozdriver

    Ozdriver Heavy Load Member

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    You've got do do oil sampling every oil change or it's a waste of time.
    I do a bearing roll at around 450,000 miles with my CAT 3408. I did one at about 500,000 once and it was a little late, 450 seems about the best for me but my gross weight is high and it works in extreme heat often. I change the oil at 2,500 gal fuel burn.
    Yeah, with the 8V92 I changed big ends and mains and all was good.
     
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  10. Cory wood

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    I have seen spin and seized rod and main bearings on every engine. I would say that cats do seem to be the least but detroits and cummins are about the same really. I think a lot is how you care for them and sure there's always the fluke bearing or instance and it just happens like a cracked head at 250k and the next engine of the same make and model doing the same job maintained by the same people goes 750k with no problems. We rarely see cracked series 60 or n14 or isx heads. Seems like every 3406e or c15 we do a head or Inframe has a cracked head. Cranks 2k for an n14 and I would certainly have the block line bored with the engine out, I can't stress that enough on an n14. We see more crank bore problems with n14 than any other engine because of block fretting which is not new Info on n14 especially the higher horsepower it is.
     
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  11. RidinDirty11

    RidinDirty11 Light Load Member

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    Cory,
    Thanks for the info. I checked my block, and had no fretting. Main journals looked perfect. I plasti-gauge everything just to be safe. Worth the extra couple hours, along with all of my rod and end play measurements. I am also replacing number 5 and 6 connecting rods.Reconditioned crankshaft was 1600.00., so your 2000.00 in a shop is right on the money. I went right to number 5 first after reading that 5 and 6 are known to starve the rods for oil. I learned my lesson the hard way. Oil samples are good, but i am rolling bearings in all of my trucks. Like I said, everything else is cake compared to pulling the engine. Bearing kits are only about 250.00, and a days worth of labor. Will try to get some pictures of the build up. What pisses me off most is I should of known better being I bought this truck used. #### thing ran so well with no blow by I just left it alone. I paid the price for being lazy.
     
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