Mx out, Cat in.

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  1. kind

    kind Bobtail Member

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    As the title says, pulling out my MX 485 and replacing it with a C15 or C16.

    Have had nothing but troubles with the SCR system. The MX seems to be a good motor. However with less then 500hrs on it and being down for almost 2 months now, it's time to prevent any further down time related to poor emissions equipment.

    I've talked to as many tuners as I could find and no one is deleting the SCR anytime soon. So instead of more downtime a swap is happening.

    I put it out to my dealership I want to swap motors. They relayed it through to Paccar. Paccar tells them I'm the first guy in North America to say they want to swap out a MX. My dealer said they will purchase the MX and all the emissions equipment off of me for a decent price and Peterbilt wants the dealer to do the swap.

    So now I'm trying to figure out how to build the motor I want. I'm pretty set on a C15 6NZ but have a urge to go with a C16 for the added torque. My truck is a 2012 389 tri-drive. Those tri's take up a lot of HP. I GVW 61,300kgs.

    The tuning is going to be custom, the turbo is from Pius Erbele and a PDI manifold. Those are my only set specs so far. Turbo is rated for 700hp all day long. He is testing a 800hp single I would prefer but it's not ready yet. A local shop is recommending a PDI cam, is that the best solution or should I use a Cat cam like some of you suggest? Should I stay with stock injectors and tune for more fuel or upgrade to a more suitable set?

    This swap is happening in the next few weeks, so any input I can get would be very valuable to me.

    Thanks
     
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  3. pullingtrucker

    pullingtrucker Road Train Member

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    My haney would be the man to answer the majority of your questions. But I can answer a few. For the cam I would go with a CAT one since the PDI cam is just a CAT unit with a price mark up. Go for a C-15 liner setup up since the C-16 leaves very little liner wall that causes them to distort slightly. Since you are not looking for much over the stock HP numbers the stock injectors would be fine. I highly suggest you look for brand new and not remaned units though.

    I wish you luck in this chore and look forward to hearing how it all goes. To be honest I am really interested in your outcome since it seems like the only way I'll ever get a T660 Kenworth with a C-15 is by doing a engine swap...DANG KENWORTH AND THEIR BAD JUDGEMENT!!!
     
  4. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    I'd prefere bullet proof 3406E with 40 pin ECM.

    Easy to swap, easy to program EMC

    N14, Series 60 12.7L, Euro-3 Mercedes OM460 and pre EGR ISX are all good choise too!

    MX is a good thing, but no pre SCR MX is available. Paccar offer UPEC and Cummins in countriew with Euro-3 emissioins.
     
  5. kind

    kind Bobtail Member

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    Thanks. That's what I was thinking about the cam. I wasn't sure tho.

    As far not going much over stock hp, the only reason I'm thinking 700-800 is for reliability. I always want more power lol. I have a 800hp 6.4 Ford that I race and is currently getting triple turbos. Always want more power lol. If I can safely run higher hp and without blowing a bunch of smoke then I will!!

    I have been instructed from a few sources that I need at least a 70 pin ecm. Most recommend the 120 pin for better interfacing. This is still a new truck, I want it to maintain as much bells and whistles as possible.

    I have a 60 series 12.7 DDEC 3 that I was thinking of using until I was told to use a newer motor to make wiring easier. Pretty much buy the harness or get one from a wrecker and plug in. So I've been told anyway.
     
  6. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    I have to agree, becouse new truck with ABS-E (with ASR), may be ECAS and other newer electronic units that require J1939, so I have to agree 70 pin ECM and DEEC-IV would be the better choise.

    CAT 120 pin ECM is the thing that offer more you need, like DEEC-5 too
     
  7. Ashman_42

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    Ryan, talk to Dave at daves diesel in Edmonton, I believe they have complete 6nz engines built and ready to go with 1000hp cams already installed. If not find one, thats the route I'd go. Daves also builds custom injectors that put other competitors youve mentioned to shame, if you talk to Dave himself himself the about what you want to do I'll more than likely bet he's done it. As for tuning diesel spec Inc. Could also program a ECM that will control that monster, I'm sure willy mentioned he's a dealer and again they more than likely could give you the ingredients to build the hp your looking for. I got stuck behind your rig and was angered at how slow it took to get to a 100, that'll be a nice rig once the swap is completed.
     
  8. kind

    kind Bobtail Member

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    You were angered following? Try driving it lol. Hope you weren't stuck behind me for to long lol.

    Willy and I have talked extensively already. I'm not sure if Dave's has any 6NZ's but Willy did recommend his injectors. I will call Dave's monday.

    Diesel Spec is who I'm using for tuning as well.

    It will be nice to put some power down, it's really all it's missing.

    And who are you? lol
     
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    98989 Road Train Member

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    As much i know there are mx e3 up to 460hp but this is too small for 60+ton
     
  10. Ashman_42

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    This is Ashton, small world to find you on here. Between the knowledge of Daves and diesel spec setting up a 700hp reliable engine shouldn't be a problem.
     
  11. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    designed for SCR engines in E3 versions are all gutless, becouse in SCR mode exaust is very hot. So more NOx, and with SCR engeneers do not think about this, becouse SCR makes really zero NOx exaust.

    In e3 calibration all long stroke engines are of 70% of top power rating!

    As example of other truck maker... D13A w/o SCR of Euro-3 builds 400 hp only!
     
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