multiple placards?

I pull a reefer that is loaded with hazmat at times. The reading of the existing regs by my company would place a general placard on the trailer if under the 4kg limit for everything combined in a given hazmat class. If I had a drum of bleach, and a drum of corrosive cleaner... it would be just one "corrosive" placard.

If I have enough of two different substances to be over 4kg on each, I'd need separate placards with UN-numbers for each substance.

On the tanker side, it could be just the interpretation has been changed to match what's going on in other areas of the industry.

 

You didn't provide enough information for me to be specific however you may see the placarding requirements at 49 CFR part 172.500 through 172.600. Pay attention to 172.600 and also find auxiliary/secondary placarding requirements as well. Also check the special provisions at 172.102

This is not new. The rules have been on the books for many years.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html#page1

It won't let me post the entire website........... But if you click on the above & go to 49......Transportation....Go to the Oct. 2007 section because I see they haven't finished the new section yet.

From a retired federal DOT Official & haz mat specialist

 

I run a refer and when we run haz-mat we have to have a placard for each idem that requires a placard. so if we have 4 corrosive the it's 4 placards.

 

There must be a reason every multiple compartment tanker I've seen has a placard holder for each compartment .

 

I'd say that's a rack rumor. But I'll look anyway.

 

FYI, the 1203 and 1993 are marking requirements, not placarding requirements.

The rumor has to do with ethanol and E85, due to the alcohol content the E85 cannot use the 1203 for petroleum based products.

Alcohol is not a petroleum based product so the exception no longer applies:

http://hazmat.dot.gov/HMpubsreview/docs/SNethanol.pdf

http://www.e85fuel.com/news/2009/011609/pmaa_shipping_paper.pdf

The links should be of use.

Be safe.

 

That's interesting . I saw a lot of tankers leaving an ethanol plant in IN with 1203 placards .

 

Sorry but the numbers are technically known as identification numbers used to support the proper shipping name of the product and I'm sure the OP used that term in general anyway.. There's no new marking changes. What concerns him as a delivery driver is the rule that allows you to use a gasoline placard for diesel.

I can see a problem if they take away the rule. If you really look at it and they change where you've got to label each compartment it's going to change the way the driver works. I wouldn't want it. I want the choice to use the compartment to my benefit and not have all 5 of my compartments special tanks. You have to know what some of these drivers go through to get a load to a station.

 

Skunk237:

Gashauler:

You left off part of the information offered:

And yes sir, UN1203 and 1993 are UN indentification numbers that are a marking requirement by:

I consider myself fairly well versed in the HMR. Other wise I doubt I could have provided the information.

Did you read the information provided? Isn't almost every gas station in America using 85% gasoline with 15% alcohol?

After October 1, 2010 Gasohol will have to use UN3475 as the UN indentification number....​

Gasoline over 10%
& up to 20 percent Ethanol

Until 09/30/2010 the following basic discription and UN ID number is authorized:

Gasohol, 3, NA1203, PG II

Effective 10/01/2010 the following is required:

[B][SIZE=4][COLOR=red]Ethanol and Gasoline Mixture, 3, [FONT=Helvetica-Bold][FONT=Helvetica-Bold]UN 3475 PG II[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[URL="http://www.e85fuel.com/news/2009/011609/pmaa_shipping_paper.pdf"][B][COLOR=#810081]http://www.e85fuel.com/news/2009/011609/pmaa_shipping_paper.pdf[/COLOR][/B][/URL]


[FONT=Helvetica-Bold][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica-Bold][SIZE=2]I know many states that require a 85% gas to 15% ethanol due to EPA issues. Most gas stations in Illinois and Colorado sell a blend of 85% gasoline and 15% ethanol, therefore, the changes in the rules will have a significant impact on the gasoline (blended fuel 85% gas 15% ethanol) carriers and drivers.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[COLOR=black][quote]I can see a problem if they take away the rule. If you really look at it and they change where you've got to label each compartment it's going to change the way the driver works.[/quote][/COLOR]


The HMR have always required the UN ID number to be in the same sequence as the materials in a multi compartmented tank:

[quote]§ 172.336 Identification numbers; special provisions.

(c) Identification numbers are not required:

(1) On the ends of a portable tank, cargo tank or tank car having more than one compartment if hazardous materials having different identification numbers are being transported therein. In such a circumstance, the identification numbers on the sides of the tank shall be displayed in the same sequence as the compartments containing the materials they identify.

(2) On a cargo tank containing only gasoline, if the cargo tank is marked “Gasoline” on each side and rear in letters no less than 50 mm (2 inches) high, or is placarded in accordance with §172.542(c).

(3) On a cargo tank containing only fuel oil, if the cargo tank is marked “Fuel Oil” on each side and rear in letters no less than 50 mm (2 inches) high, or is placarded in accordance with §172.544(c).

(4) For each of the different liquid petroleum distillate fuels, including gasoline and gasohol, in a compartmented cargo tank or tank car, if the identification number is displayed for the distillate fuel having the lowest flash point. After October 1, 2010, if a compartmented cargo tank or tank car contains such fuels together with a gasoline and alcohol fuel blend containing more than ten percent ethanol, the identification number “3475” or “1987” must also be displayed as appropriate in addition to the identification number for the liquid petroleum distillate fuel having the lowest flash point.

(5) For each of the different liquid petroleum distillate fuels, including gasoline and gasohol transported in a cargo tank, if the identification number is displayed for the liquid petroleum distillate fuel having the lowest flash point.

(6) For each of the different liquid petroleum distillate fuels, including gasoline and gasohol, transported in a cargo tank, if the identification number is displayed for the liquid petroleum distillate fuel having the lowest flash point. [B][SIZE=4]After October 1, 2010, if a cargo tank is used to transport a gasoline and alcohol fuel blend containing more than ten percent ethanol, the identification number “3475” must also be displayed in addition to the identification number for the liquid petroleum distillate fuel having the lowest flash point. [/SIZE][/B][/quote][B][SIZE=4][/SIZE][/B]

The final rule was published 10/01/2008 so the industry can start training and modifying practices. Did your company offer the information in your last driver meeting?


[COLOR=black][quote]I wouldn't want it. I want the choice to use the compartment to my benefit and not have all 5 of my compartments special tanks.[/quote][/COLOR]


Then you need to obtain flipable pacards with flipable UN ID numbers so you can rearrange the sequence of the UN ID numbers. Otherwise after 10/01/2010 you will be cited for improper markings.

[COLOR=black][quote]You have to know what some of these drivers go through to get a load to a station.[/quote][/COLOR]


Drove tankers for Klein Tanker in Denver, CO back about 1993. I am well aware of having to chase down product for a customer based on who sells the cheapest fuel. I had cards for several of the refineries in the Denver area. When not carrying fuel I was loading hot asphalt in Sinclair, WY or Cheyenne, WY. Even made several deliveries down to southern, CO then drove over to Farmington, NM for Jet A to bring back to Denver.

IOW, I have the t-shirt...

RickG the 1203 for 85% gas/15% ethanol is allowed until 10/01/2010.

Be safe.





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